Post #181,997
11/1/04 12:53:23 PM
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Ohio judge to GOP "challengers": piddle off
[link|http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/01/politics/campaign/01cnd-ballot.html|http://www.nytimes.c...01cnd-ballot.html]
Nice. That's why we need strong, sane judges.
-drl
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Post #182,005
11/1/04 1:20:17 PM
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That should pretty much guarantee a law suite afterwards.
I don't know if this is going to be a good thing or not. Initially, they should get more minorities in to vote. This is probably good. If they invalidate whole districts afterwards, it could be costly. In any event, I am curious as to whether the Republicans will obey the judgement. There have been stories in the paper that Ohio officials were claiming the the Fed judges had no authority to make such rulings. Should be interesting.
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Post #182,006
11/1/04 1:21:24 PM
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How about a legal bungalow?
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
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Post #182,007
11/1/04 1:30:20 PM
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Wow
Democracy by litigation.
The US has truly passed through the looking glass, if even half the predicted denouements to election day hold true.
Whatever happened to letting everybody vote and then counting them to see who won?
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Post #182,009
11/1/04 1:40:02 PM
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Do you really let "everybody" vote?
Kids, dead people, foreigners? Wow, such democracy.
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This guy's ahead of his time! He's using quantum programming methods: in universes where invalid data is passed to this function, it does not return. Thus you are ensured that you will only have valid data after calling it. Optimally you'd destroy the universe on failure, but computers haven't quite advanced to that level yet.
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Post #182,010
11/1/04 1:47:08 PM
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Hey, you need to review your history, Ark...
...having "kids, dead people, and foreigners" vote has been a long, time honored tradition in Chicago...(especially dead people -- why, they vote two, sometimes three times an election 'round here).
;-)
jb4
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Post #182,013
11/1/04 1:54:48 PM
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"Vote early, vote often!"
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Post #182,023
11/1/04 2:13:29 PM
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Well, that's because we're sane about how we register voters
That is, Elections Canada (a non-partisan arms-length department of the government) makes up the voter rolls. You don't need to register to vote... instead, you're registered to vote by the state. Obviously, there are ways to game the system, but since it's pretty much a given that you have to have paid taxes in order to show up on the rolls (or at least have shown why you DIDN'T have to pay taxes), as well as being a citizen, it's really hard to register people who don't exist.
Mind you, the system used to be better than it is now; the creeping moronism of "efficiency is a universal good" has meant that the old system, where Elections Canada would send people around to knock on every door in Canada in the lead up to an election (or at least on every door in the place where a vote was taking place) made for an even more accurate list of voters.
Dead people, pets, and foreigners generally only get to vote in party elections, not in actual elections... and foreigners are free to vote in party elections, as long as the party's constitution permits that; they are private associations after all and their rules are up to them, not up to the state.
You might be thinking 'how insanely labour intensive that is', but that's democracy. Democracy is by its nature labour intensive, and when it gets to the point that it's not labour intensive, you have to wonder if it's still democracy.
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Post #182,028
11/1/04 2:34:59 PM
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ICLRPD (new thread)
Created as new thread #182027 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=182027|ICLRPD]
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Post #182,113
11/1/04 9:44:21 PM
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Voting rolls and who holds them.
I often wonder at the quirks in the US system where there are N electoral bodies where N > 1 and is probably > 50. The Australian system puts one federal commission in charge of all elections and electoral rolls. Well, roll. One system for registering and tracking registration. One system for actually voting, involving paper and pencil (of all things). And somehow we know the results of most electorates that night, too.
You probably thinking that one electoral voter roll is ripe for marketing abuse. Well, no: the AEC has quite strict rules about what people can do with them. Such as telemarketing. And they are known to come down hard on those who flout the rules.
And I won't even mention our compulsory voting...
Wade.
Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
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Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please
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Post #182,135
11/1/04 11:36:40 PM
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ooh, just like sadaam, compulsory voting :-)
that way too many Iraqis conceived of free society as little more than a mosh pit with grenades. ANDISHEH NOURAEE
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