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New Lancet paper estimates 100000 Iraqis died in invasion.
I thought this was posted here already, but I've not been able to find it.

K5 has a [link|http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/10/29/62614/814|story] about a [link|http://image.thelancet.com/extras/04art10342web.pdf|paper] (.PDF, free registration) just published in The Lancet (a UK medical journal). The number seems impossibly large. There are several [link|http://www.chicagoboyz.net/archives/002543.html|critiques] (a link from K5) that say the methodology has major problems.

From the paper:

More than a third of reported post-attack deaths (n=53), and two thirds of violent deaths (n=52) happened in the Falluja cluster. This extreme statistical outlier has created a very broad confidence estimate around the mortality measure and is cause for concern about the precision of the overall finding. If the Falluja cluster is excluded, the post-attack mortality is 7\ufffd9 per 1000 people per year (95% CI 5\ufffd6\ufffd10\ufffd2; design effect=2\ufffd0).


I'm not a statistician, but statements like this raise red flags with me. If one "cluster" (of 33, each consisting of 30 households) can give such anomalous results when intense fighting happened in several cities, doesn't it seem reasonable that a much larger number of clusters is needed to be confident of the extrapolation? For example, if one had a group of 33 Americans and a third of them were Olympic marathon runners, one wouldn't assume that on average Americans had the physiology of a long distance runner. :-( Instead one would conclude that a larger, more random, sample of people was needed. The methodology they used doesn't seem to me to be likely to give an accurate estimate of the total death count. Extrapolating from small numbers to big numbers only works if the small sample is representative. (This problem comes up frequently in "cancer cluster" statistics as well.) Simply excluding the Faluja numbers doesn't give me any more confidence in the methodology.

The authors say they did not visit many cities, and did not visit some areas of cities that had heavy fighting - trying to show that their sample was random.

They recorded 142 deaths in the post-invasion period. Other groups have statistics with much higher numbers (e.g. [link|http://www.iraqbodycount.net|http://www.iraqbodycount.net] has the number of deaths as being betwen 14181 and 16312) that aren't based on extrapolation from a small number. The gut feeling I have is that while the authors may have tried to get a random sample (using random GPS coordinates), their sample was too small to extrapolate the death toll to the entire country.

Perhaps this story will result in more work to get better statistics. Until then, I think the IraqBodyCount numbers are more likely to be more accurate.

Cheers,
Scott.
New A rebuke from a conservative blog
[link|http://www.techcentralstation.com/102904J.html|http://www.techcentr....com/102904J.html]

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Have a look at those confidence levels. Yup, 95%. That is, a one in twenty chance that the effect simply does not exist. Look at the relative risk ratios (leave out Falluja; I don't think anyone is really very surprised to see a higher mortality rate there): 1.1-2.3. It isn't just that it is an absurdly wide one (note, a relative risk ratio of 1 would mean no effect whatsoever) it is that if this paper was written to generally accepted statistical standards it would never have been published. With a 95% confidence level a relative risk ratio of anything less than three is regarded as statistically insignificant. Just to clarify that, by "insignificant" no one is stating that it is not important to those people who undoubtedly have been killed during the War. What is being said is that we don't have enough information to be able to say anything meaningful about it. "Statistically insignificant" means "we don't know".
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New After all, the score's important.
Too bad there's really no way to know how many people are being killed by the war over there. We have to extrapolate from anecdotal evidence.

FWIW I don't think that the US forces are running around indiscriminately killing people... most of the time. However, it's a simple fact of life that air strikes kill people other than the ones that they're aimed at.

According to IraqBodyCount.net, currently the Iraqi death toll stands at:

Min 14219
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Max 16352

Note that these are the numbers generated by monitoring media reports, so it is almost certainly a lower bound of the actual dead.

Late last year a reporter from the Miami Herald was trying to find out about Iraqi dead from the US military. His article, posted 2003/09/05 says the following:
I asked Pentagon officials: ''How many Iraqis have been killed in this war?'' The answers were given ''on background'' -- meaning that the Pentagon spokesmen requested anonymity. The spokesmen were honest. They clearly were following orders from the policymakers when they replied that the Iraqi fatality toll was simply not our concern.

The reply to my first Pentagon call was: ``We don't track them (Iraqi dead).''

Weeks later I pursued the question and was told by a Defense Department official: ''They don't count. They are not important,'' meaning the casualty figures.

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On March 18, two days before the U.S. invasion, Barbara Bush had an interview with ABC-TV's Diane Sawyer.

''Why should we hear about body bags and deaths and how many, what day it's gonna happen?'' Mrs. Bush declared. ''It's not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?'' Maybe she is right, but I don't think so.

If we do not know or care about the human cost of war for the winners and losers, America will be forever diminished in the eyes of the world.
Nice to know what the Family Attitude to all that ugliness is.
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New .. and that's just the public, sanitized version
New Another analysis with lots of links.....

[link|http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=15&ItemID=6565|http://www.zmag.org/...ID=15&ItemID=6565]

"...this study remains the best estimate of Iraq deaths. Its finding are truly horrifying."
New But the DAMNING Truth is -
(And given the unlikelihood of there ever being sufficient 'court acceptable stats' or there being -soon enough- an International Tribunal with the power to Force Worldwide Hearing of those stats - with assessed punishment as Can be meted out)

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The damning thing is - how execrably Few xenophobic fear-crazed Muricans give the slightest shit about Their dead, many more mained.. nor, it appears thus far - about the escalating number of Our dead, many more maimed ... while feeling safe within the compassionate arms/munitions of the Neoconman Cabal.


Whether or not there ever was cosmic Karma, it shall have to be Invented, next.
(I think the universe works this way, impervious to the spin of flacks & preachers. We'll see..)
     Lancet paper estimates 100000 Iraqis died in invasion. - (Another Scott) - (5)
         A rebuke from a conservative blog - (Arkadiy) - (4)
             After all, the score's important. - (jake123) - (1)
                 .. and that's just the public, sanitized version -NT - (Ashton)
             Another analysis with lots of links..... - (dmcarls) - (1)
                 But the DAMNING Truth is - - (Ashton)

Oh right, your thing. Yeah, that stinks.
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