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New What is "Davinci Code"
It's not worth reading even a cursory exposition - all I want is once sentence.
-drl
New An alternative history of Xian matters,
(and with particular emphasis on the mischaracterization of one Mary Magdalene in those er scriptures).

A rollicking good tale, think Hitchcock. That some of the assertions accord with hoary other materials.. makes it the stuff of Millennium-Conspiracy cha cha cha.

All depends on who's more Right(-eous). Or apoplectic.
I referred to it somewhere, a while back.


New Relgious tin foil hat fiction
It's religious based tin foil hat fiction story, Davinci, secret societies, holy grail and the true fate of Jesus wind together in a way that involves a modern day murder. It does include a lot of true material into the story, the secret societies are all ones that exist and so on.

Jay
New One sentance. Hmm.
Jesus's multi-great grand-daughter is.
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Because it is easier to give someone the finger than it is to give them a helping hand.
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New Don't. say. it.
The contract details haven't been finalized!
New Re: What is "Davinci Code"
Silverlock said it pretty good, but if you want a little more detail, go here.

[link|http://www.amywelborn.com/reviews/davinci.html|http://www.amywelbor...iews/davinci.html]

Nightowl >8#



"It's not where a person stands in time of comfort and security, but rather where they stand in times of strife and controversy that determine true friends."
(Quote sent to me by a true friend, author unknown).
New Excellent book.
Lots of historical fact woven into the story, which is about the murder of the head of a secret society.

I'm curious to see what other people here think of the presentation of Mary Magdalene in the book, particularly in regards to the Nicene meeting that decided whether Jesus was the son of God or not for purposes of the religion. She's quite obvious in the Last Supper. :-)
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New Some lore..
I gave a mini-review of DaV on Mary Magdalene [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=141888| here].

Contrary to Box's std off-the flipped-lid quips from popular folklore (in which just about any female was a virgin or a whore; still, for some) .. I think that there has persisted all along, an Alt View of Mary Magdalene from the multi-edited Bible versions, and quite before any confirmations from Dead Sea material. I was aware of this, while reading DaV. A {chortle} on every page.

Note re "oiling" of the feet. Padnamaskar, a ritual foot-touching persisting today - is about the effects realized upon "touching the feet" of [any] 'Realized Being'. This can be partly understood in context with the chakra model of the various kinds of Life energies and their centers in the body.

It is entirely appropriate that a presumed-Avatar would be requested to 'allow' this ritual. I know zippo re the "oils" part, an apparent addition, perhaps (like so much else) just another Christian variant on very old practices. Myths recycle and Christianity's myths are unoriginal; preceded by oodles of examples (including crucifixion and "they came from the East") which the interested can discover about.

Ex:
My mater had an Artful rendition of a 'Mary Magdalene' figure, her only near-religious artifact. Hers was a philosophical rather than religio-view of It All, and she suspected that the 'God' icons were entirely Man-created, also as in male (after all of the Matriarchies had been exterminated). She acknowledged the 'Mystery' which: "I Am.." forever connotes -- but neither preached to moi nor (really) spoke much on the subject.

She too had acquired a version of the MM story (not Monroe) at least recognizably ~ to the DaVinci version, best I can recollect. Pity I can't recall any details of that; it was a brief conversation, I was young and normally-stupid about paying attention to some priceless lore available at the cost only of {sigh} a little Interest.

In brief, my impression is - that my mother had accepted that "the pop MM story" was an ongoing orchestrated slander [considering the implications for the Puritannical-Wing, of JC's ~SO]. She 'accepted' that most people believed the std story, but was never inured to the implications of an all-too-Human sleaze-factor from ~ Day 1 of the written-down stuff. (I am grateful that she remained neutral about, and within our Xian-dominated enviro rather than usual inculcation; in that she was more Honest IMhO than most parents dare to be, in my experience since.)

I doubt that we shall receive closure on this er Issue, any more than we shall learn what vice President Halliburton exchanged with his Enron buddies re 'energy policy' (cha ... cha)

But should something more tangible surface in future, as the Ferenghi say, I'm all ears.


Ashton

By nature.. my instincts lie more ~~

Go --> Mary M! Let's clear your rep, dissed all this time by those MCPs.
Thomas! - Speak Up! Nail that effete misogynist Paul and his screeds upside down on Vatican City's main gate.
New jesus was bangin the hooker, they had kids
that turned into french and scottish aristocracy, the code explains why this is true.
oh yeah, fancy wine glasses are involved.
thanx,
bill
These miserable swine, having nothing but illusions to live on, marshmallows for the soul in place of good meat, will now stoop to any disgusting level to prevent even those miserable morsels from vanishing into thin air. The country is being destroyed by these stupid, vicious right-wing fanatics, the spiritual brothers of the brownshirts and redstars, collectivists and authoritarians all, who would not know freedom if it bit them on the ass, who spend all their time trying to stamp, bludgeon, and eviscerate the very idea of the individual's right to his own private world. DRL
questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
New /me guesses that's what DeS was looking for
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New Except she wasn't a hooker...
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New sure she was, anointing his feet with oil
7 demons inside her, and a saving from stoning, party girl all the way and she had her own money at a time when men owned women.
thanx,
bill
These miserable swine, having nothing but illusions to live on, marshmallows for the soul in place of good meat, will now stoop to any disgusting level to prevent even those miserable morsels from vanishing into thin air. The country is being destroyed by these stupid, vicious right-wing fanatics, the spiritual brothers of the brownshirts and redstars, collectivists and authoritarians all, who would not know freedom if it bit them on the ass, who spend all their time trying to stamp, bludgeon, and eviscerate the very idea of the individual's right to his own private world. DRL
questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
New I take it, then...
that you're not buying the alternate version, that she was royalty (line of Benjamin or somesuch)...
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New naw, just regular broad, running with the boys
These miserable swine, having nothing but illusions to live on, marshmallows for the soul in place of good meat, will now stoop to any disgusting level to prevent even those miserable morsels from vanishing into thin air. The country is being destroyed by these stupid, vicious right-wing fanatics, the spiritual brothers of the brownshirts and redstars, collectivists and authoritarians all, who would not know freedom if it bit them on the ass, who spend all their time trying to stamp, bludgeon, and eviscerate the very idea of the individual's right to his own private world. DRL
questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
New So you don't hold with the dead sea scrolls at all?
Just what the church decided should be included at Nicene?
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New got links? havnt read the dead sea scrolls
These miserable swine, having nothing but illusions to live on, marshmallows for the soul in place of good meat, will now stoop to any disgusting level to prevent even those miserable morsels from vanishing into thin air. The country is being destroyed by these stupid, vicious right-wing fanatics, the spiritual brothers of the brownshirts and redstars, collectivists and authoritarians all, who would not know freedom if it bit them on the ass, who spend all their time trying to stamp, bludgeon, and eviscerate the very idea of the individual's right to his own private world. DRL
questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
New Actually I may have that bit wrong.
But apparently the Google Group Mind is reasonably firm that Magdalene wasn't a protitute; she was just mixed up with the woman from Luke who did the annointing. This has been accepted since the 60s.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New google group mind has a lot of stupid opinions :-)
These miserable swine, having nothing but illusions to live on, marshmallows for the soul in place of good meat, will now stoop to any disgusting level to prevent even those miserable morsels from vanishing into thin air. The country is being destroyed by these stupid, vicious right-wing fanatics, the spiritual brothers of the brownshirts and redstars, collectivists and authoritarians all, who would not know freedom if it bit them on the ass, who spend all their time trying to stamp, bludgeon, and eviscerate the very idea of the individual's right to his own private world. DRL
questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
New Except that this bit...
... came from the New Catholic Encyclopedia...
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New This is wrong.
It was reasonably common at the time for a woman to own property and other wealth in her own name - it just had to be carefully documented. The care with which these documents needed to be kept has resulted in several surviving sets being found in recent times.
[link|http://www.aaxnet.com|AAx]
New Re: sure she was, anointing his feet ___ Utter BS
Obv you have no idea about 'foot rituals' and their 'whys'.
cf. reply to admin.

As to the tired virgin/whore mantra - Mexico does that crap better, with the Church's help.
What's your excuse?
New Re: sure she was, anointing his feet ___ Utter BS
lets examine myths shall we? We have a female figure anointing his feet with oil, considering its a hot sandy zero humidity kind of place where you wear sandals all day a good foot rub in the evening with lotion is a treasure. That this female companion chose to do it was commented on at the time as being rather intimate. The commentators were rebuked, he didnt mind.
Now why was this included in the document? Lets examine mythology. There is a ying/yang in all myths, shiva/ganesh mithraic chaos/order navaho beauty/disorder. In the indo european theatre you have female male pairings. Apparently this formula is being followed here by a prostitute/teacher who after several centuries is transformed into a saint/diety combination. Nothing new here and when it comes to religions you are either a saint/sinner so the whore/saint anology is certainly apt.
regards
daemon
New Not arguing that...
My understanding, however, is that the woman annointing his feet is *not* Mary Magdalene, and has just been confused with her over the years.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New "Confused"
We can't agree who shot the most powerful man in the world in broad daylight in front of thousands of people less than 40 years ago. Do we really think we have any freaking clue who did what to whose feet 2,000 years ago?
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New Hey idiot get a login or go the fuck away
-drl
New ???
New Nothing confusing
Just part of the issue that was going on in WC.

Not to worry.

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New Shut UP, you clod.


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     What is "Davinci Code" - (deSitter) - (28)
         An alternative history of Xian matters, - (Ashton)
         Relgious tin foil hat fiction - (JayMehaffey)
         One sentance. Hmm. - (Silverlock) - (1)
             Don't. say. it. - (Ashton)
         Re: What is "Davinci Code" - (Nightowl)
         Excellent book. - (admin) - (1)
             Some lore.. - (Ashton)
         jesus was bangin the hooker, they had kids - (boxley) - (20)
             /me guesses that's what DeS was looking for -NT - (drewk)
             Except she wasn't a hooker... -NT - (admin) - (18)
                 sure she was, anointing his feet with oil - (boxley) - (17)
                     I take it, then... - (admin) - (6)
                         naw, just regular broad, running with the boys -NT - (boxley) - (5)
                             So you don't hold with the dead sea scrolls at all? - (admin) - (4)
                                 got links? havnt read the dead sea scrolls -NT - (boxley) - (3)
                                     Actually I may have that bit wrong. - (admin) - (2)
                                         google group mind has a lot of stupid opinions :-) -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                             Except that this bit... - (admin)
                     This is wrong. - (Andrew Grygus)
                     Re: sure she was, anointing his feet ___ Utter BS - (Ashton) - (8)
                         Re: sure she was, anointing his feet ___ Utter BS - (daemon) - (7)
                             Not arguing that... - (admin) - (2)
                                 "Confused" - (drewk) - (1)
                                     ICLRPD (new thread) - (inthane-chan)
                             Hey idiot get a login or go the fuck away -NT - (deSitter) - (3)
                                 ??? -NT - (FuManChu) - (1)
                                     Nothing confusing - (Nightowl)
                                 Shut UP, you clod. -NT - (pwhysall)

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