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New I meant NextStep style plists
hashes or dictionaries are { key = value; }
arrays or lists are ( one, two, three )
strings are quoted when necessary (contain spaces or punctuation) otherwise not.

All three may be nested arbitrarily.
Interestingly, I've found that here at big river books the code modules have plist format compatibility descriptors.

This is a dictionary with two entries - one is strings, the second has a list of strings for a value.

"Todd's Key" = "This is cool";
NSRecentDocuments = (
"/Users/todd/Text File.txt",

That was lovely cheese.

     --Wallace, The Wrong Trousers
Expand Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:38:24 AM EDT
New Do you mean kind of like this?
\n{\n  "Todd's Key" => "This is cool",\n   NSRecentDocuments => [\n     "/Users/todd/Text File.txt",\n     "/Users/todd/Desktop/Documents/Readme.rtf",\n     "/tmp/file.txt",\n     "/tmp/file2.txt",\n   ],\n};\n

That's valid Perl. Like the plists that you're looking for, you can nest arbitrarily to produce any data structure that you want.

It shouldn't be particularly hard to write a parser that loads/dumps between plists and the above internal Perl data structure. The main problem that you might run into is in coming up with a good name to use when trying to release the module into the wild. (Because "plist" is such an ambiguous term.)

Incidentally what is the relationship between that kind of plist and the XML-based one that [link|http://search.cpan.org/~bdfoy/Mac-PropertyList-0.9/lib/PropertyList.pm|http://search.cpan.o...b/PropertyList.pm] deals with?

To deny the indirect purchaser, who in this case is the ultimate purchaser, the right to seek relief from unlawful conduct, would essentially remove the word consumer from the Consumer Protection Act
- [[link|http://www.techworld.com/opsys/news/index.cfm?NewsID=1246&Page=1&pagePos=20|Nebraska|http://www.techworld...gePos=20|Nebraska] Supreme Court]
New Pretty close
The plist format (which I would name NSPList for NextStep PList) I describe is now known by the J-heads at Apple as "Classic" or "old style" plists. They are trying to deprecate them. They are fools.

There are still plenty of them around and thus the libraries to read and write them are still (and ever will be) supported.

However - the J-headed XML fashion followers decided to "modernize" the plist and thus created a really lame and bloated XML-ization of them. So, while dictionaries used to be written:

{ key = value; key2 = value2; }

Now we have to have something like
\n<dict>\n   <key><string>key</string></key><data><string>value</string></data>\n   <key><string>key2</string></key><data><string>value2</string></data>\n</dict>\n

See, lots more readable (NOT).

The only advantage seems to be the addition of type tags - string, date, real, int, etc. Frankly I was happy with "everything is a string".

Anyhow, I still use NS style plists all the time. I have parsers in Java, C++, and Smalltalk. You can write a recursive descent plist parser in about a page of code. Once you have one you never write IO code to save data again.

That was lovely cheese.

     --Wallace, The Wrong Trousers
Expand Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:40:25 AM EDT
New Ah
So for you the old-style plists are your One True Data Format for data interchange.

In the Perl world there is no such thing - largely because a lot of Perl exists in the boundaries of converting between different people's home-grown data formats. You aren't going to figure out how to deal with those without doing I/O.

However a million and one attempted universal formats have been produced. The ones that seem to have mindshare in the Perl world are XML, YAML, and native Perl code. Each of which has Perl tools that keep you from having to think about I/O. I don't think that another would get mindshare, but there is no harm in throwing it out there.

Incidentally for writing recursive descent parsers, the gold standard in Perl seems to be [link|http://search.cpan.org/~dconway/Parse-RecDescent-1.94/lib/Parse/RecDescent.pod|Parse::RecDescent]. Unfortunately since it was added, Perl added the /g attribute to REs but the module has never been rewritten to use that. (Damian intended to, but never got around to it in Perl 5. His rewrite will be built into the language in Perl 6.) So its memory use tends to be quadratic in the size of the string, and performance on long strings is correspondingly bad.

If you write a recursive descent parser in Perl, my suggestion is therefore either to use that, or to study the pos function and use REs with \\G and /gc liberally in your tokenizing. Oh, and never, ever use $`, $& or $'. (Use once and the RE engine slows down a lot, permanently.)

About the use of language: it is impossible to sharpen a pencil with a blunt axe. It is equally vain to try to do it with ten blunt axes instead. -- Edsgar W. Dijkstra
New One True Data Format
Lets just say I've got a lot of them around, plenty of code for dealing with them, and I can read/write/edit them by hand easily.

That was lovely cheese.

     --Wallace, The Wrong Trousers
Expand Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:40:37 AM EDT
New Big River Books - rofl
Sure that's not "Big Mean Lesbian Books"?

Watch that right breast!

     Perl - storing a hash in a file to re-read later - (tuberculosis) - (26)
         Wouldn't it be better to build it as you read? - (drewk) - (2)
             Its not large - its small - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                 Perl is line oriented by default - (broomberg)
         This wheel has been invented already :-) - (ben_tilly) - (22)
             <fawn>Wonderful post</fawn> - (pwhysall) - (1)
                 <preen /> -NT - (ben_tilly)
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                 Why? -NT - (deSitter) - (6)
                     Because there's no way I could match that answer. -NT - (inthane-chan) - (5)
                         But that isn't programming - (ben_tilly) - (4)
                             Nice to see a teacher/craftsman in action. - (ChrisR) - (3)
                                 A good thing for my spare time you mean? - (ben_tilly)
                                 Why? -NT - (deSitter) - (1)
                                     Jack of all languages... - (ChrisR)
             I figured it had - one more quickie question - (tuberculosis) - (11)
                 Error checking remains a best practice - (ben_tilly) - (10)
                     Agree - (tuberculosis) - (9)
                         You lucky duck. - (FuManChu)
                         What do you mean by plists? - (ben_tilly) - (6)
                             I meant NextStep style plists - (tuberculosis) - (5)
                                 Do you mean kind of like this? - (ben_tilly) - (3)
                                     Pretty close - (tuberculosis) - (2)
                                         Ah - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                                             One True Data Format - (tuberculosis)
                                 Big River Books - rofl - (deSitter)
                         ICLRPD (new thread) - (Meerkat)

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