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Post #174,246

by inthane-chan

9/14/04 3:35:01 PM

Post #174,249

by deSitter

9/14/04 3:38:42 PM

Oops wrong window

This one:

[link|http://www.webservicespipeline.com/news/23900832|http://www.webservic...com/news/23900832]

-drl

Post #174,260

by tuberculosis

9/14/04 4:19:44 PM

8/21/07 6:36:52 AM

Going to take over the VB crowd initially

But I do see an upswing in .NET job openings.

But you have to ask yourself it .NET will work for yahoo, or amazon, or ebay. Places that run hundreds of application servers. Can you manage those kinds of server farms running Windows? I don't think so. Of course, I don't think J2EE is a great fit for those kinds of apps either.

I definitly think Java is beginning to calcify in a big way. The platform (which is an evolutionary dead end) is stagnating. Building J2EE apps feels like running through a swamp in heavy boots.

The industry is ripe for a new thing, .NET might be the new shiny for awhile.

That was lovely cheese.

--Wallace, The Wrong Trousers

Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:36:52 AM EDT

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Post #174,285

by JayMehaffey

9/14/04 5:35:04 PM

Re: Going to take over the VB crowd initially

But I do see an upswing in .NET job openings.

I've seen that also, but most of that is just companies that where serving ASP moving to serving ASP.NET. When it comes to large scale development, I still see a lot more Java then .NET.

I definitly think Java is beginning to calcify in a big way. The platform (which is an evolutionary dead end) is stagnating. Building J2EE apps feels like running through a swamp in heavy boots.

I think Java is failing under the load of it's own dead weight. They need to take the latest version of Java, nuke the backwards compatability stuff, clean up the cruft of backwards compatability, fix the basic errors that couldn't be addressed because of backwards compatability, and then update whatever is left over.

The industry is ripe for a new thing, .NET might be the new shiny for awhile.

What I would like to see is somebody take the multi-platform virtual machine theory and optimize it for different classes of machines. There is a fundamental difference between a client for users and a client for servers.

It would also be nice to have a virtual machine that didn't write language assumptions into the machine. I know both Java and .NET support multiple languages, but in both cases languages other then the primary one had to be adapted for the virtual machine. And yes, some of that probably can't be avoided, as older languages generally didn't handle security as a basic language feature. But the current generation of virtual machines are not general enough.

Jay

Post #174,291

by pwhysall

9/14/04 5:41:48 PM

Re: Going to take over the VB crowd initially

My friends who work in the webapposphere tell me that .NET is the tool of choice for quick'n'dirty weblications, but for real work you almost always end up with Java + Oracle.

We're currently building a very large application (30-odd servers, vast amounts of data (it's GIS-based in part), web-driven front-end, etc) and the only serious toolset for this is Java of some stripe or other. We're an Oracle shop anyway, so it'd be daft not to leverage that.

Post #174,296

by tuberculosis

9/14/04 6:14:50 PM

8/21/07 6:37:49 AM

Big apps

I have a friend who works for a very big company that sells giant apps (SAP/PeopleSoft kind of stuff).

He spent the last year trying to get a daily batch process to complete in under 24 hours using Java. His conclusion after much profiling was JDBC overhead is excessive in Java. They ended up doing a bridge to native code to make it work fast enough.

Java still has a lot of performance scaling issues in some key areas. JDBC is one. GUI development remains shiite as well.

Its just sad.

That was lovely cheese.

--Wallace, The Wrong Trousers

Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:37:49 AM EDT

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Post #174,348

by boxley

9/14/04 10:16:13 PM

yep, my favorite quote around here is

run this hog on a 386 running linux and flatfiles with cgi web interfaces, half the downtime at twice the speed. Gets a few sideways looks.
thanx.
bill

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Post #174,555

by lincoln

9/15/04 10:02:20 PM

Damn near every job ad I see

or every recruiter phone call I get wants at least 1 - 2 years in .NET, in addition to the mandatory background of ASP/Java/HTML/XML.

As usual, Catch-22 - haven't got them, can't get them.

lincoln
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Post #174,576

by deSitter

9/16/04 2:56:06 AM

Talk to this guy

dave dapra at omniresources dot com. He's based in Green Bay, is not an idiot. Send him an unsolicited resume and letter listing your experience.

-drl

Post #174,844

by lincoln

9/17/04 5:12:19 PM

That's a big 10-4, good buddy!

Info sent. Hope he replies on Monday. Thanks dude!

Post #174,857

by lincoln

9/17/04 5:55:15 PM

Shoot me an email

and tell me if dropping your name will count for anything. If so, clue me in.

Post #174,897

by deSitter

9/18/04 1:15:17 AM

Not yet! This isn't art, it's contracting

-drl

Post #175,144

by lincoln

9/20/04 11:04:37 AM

Email came back rejected this morning

sent it to "davedapra at omniresources dot com". Retried it with "dave_dapra at omniresources dot com". That got rejected too. Retried it with "dave.dapra at omniresources dot com". Ditto.

You sure you didn't make this guy up?

Post #175,157

by deSitter

9/20/04 11:24:29 AM

Re: Email came back rejected this morning

Spam filtering?

Dave.Dapra at omniresources dot com

copy/pasted/unspammed from my Inbox.

I'll give him a heads up to unfilter your email if you'll send it.

-drl

Post #175,171

by deSitter

9/20/04 12:10:03 PM

Re: Email came back rejected this morning

Ok sent email with your "mailto" to add to his nospam list.

Told him you were a Tandem expert among other things.

-drl

Post #175,230

by lincoln

9/20/04 4:06:48 PM

He just called

says that his network people have really hosed up their spam filtering - no emails with resume attachments are making it through at all. So it's a good thing your told him to call me or I'd never be able to get in touch with him.

Post #175,550

by static

9/21/04 9:52:03 PM

Your icon is unusually apt...

I prefer to hand out a URL for almost exactly this reason.

Wade.

Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed

Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please

-- "Anything but Ordinary" by Avril Lavigne.

Post #175,780

by lincoln

9/22/04 3:28:19 PM

Your point is well taken

but 99 44/100% of recruiters want you to send your resume as a Word doc attachment. Heaven forbid that you send it as text in the body of the email, and then they have to spend 30 seconds copying and pasting it themselves to get it into their "database".

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