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New Modes are evil.
Or hadn't you heard? ;)

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New ?


Peter
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New ? RTFA
..then the book.
New ?


Peter
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[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Blog]
New Love ya man
New Type faster, Barry! :D
New Huh?
New I did RTFA
And I'm not going to RTFB.

The example of customization for different programmers' keyboards was a good one. Taken to the stupid extreme. So the problem here is all the programmers have the most productive environment for them individually, which then is a detriment to the occasional other programmer on their keyboard.

SO WHAT?

So would you prefer to drop the productivity of ALL of them just so any of them could walk over to any of the other's desk and be able to code at full speed, where full speed is the compromise which means none of them are every fully productive?

Like I explained in my IDE VS Editor rant, it is a matter of tradeoffs. Vi was not my 1st editor, Wordstar was. So my baby chick imprint is non-modal. My 1st full time programmer environment was using vi, but I quickly moved to Brief. Brief was MUCH better. Over the years I moved between various non-modal editors. Visual Slick was also very nice. But when I moved back to vi, by way of gvim, I was much happier.

Gvim has the nice syntax highlighting, GUI touches while staying the hell out of my way.

Modal is evil for some people. Non modal is evil for me. Ctl / Alt / Meta key usage is far more evil. Who has bad wrists, Bill Joy or Richard Stallman? Comes from reaching while a finger is pressing the Ctl key.
New ?
I bet you have one of those evil PC keyboards that put CTRL down in the bottom left corner, where Satan wants it.


Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Blog]
New ?
CTRL should only be on the upper keyboard, so you can just lift a knuckle to "hold it up".
New Footpedal
Like a pipe organ.
--
Chris Altmann
New Yup
Along with the function keys across the top. I HATE them!

But no, I have not remapped the Control and CapsLock to reverse themselves like some coders I know have done.
New ?
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New ???
-YendorMike

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
New ????
New !!!
-YendorMike

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
New Modals wobble but they don't fall down.
[link|http://jeffcovey.net/linux/humor.html|Might as well face it ...]:

Addicted To Vi
(with apologies to Robert Palmer)

You press the keys with no effect,
Your mode is not correct.
The screen blurs, your fingers shake;
You forgot to press escape.
Can't insert, can't delete,
Cursor keys won't repeat.
You try to quit, but can't leave,
An extra "bang" is all you need.

You think it's neat to type an "a" or an "i"--
Oh yeah?
You won't look at emacs, no you'd just rather die
You know you're gonna have to face it;
You're addicted to vi!

You edit files one at a time;
That doesn't seem too out of line?
You don't think of keys to bind--
A meta key would blow your mind.
H, J, K, L? You're not annoyed?
Expressions must be a Joy!
Just press "f", or is it "t"?
Maybe "n", or just "g"?

Oh--You think it's neat to type an "a" or an "i"--
Oh yeah?
You won't look at emacs, no you'd just rather die
You know you're gonna have to face it;
You're addicted to vi!

Might as well face it,
You're addicted to vi!
You press the keys without effect,
Your life is now a wreck.
What a waste! Such a shame!
And all you have is vi to blame.

Oh--You think it's neat to type an "a" or an "i"--
Oh yeah?
You won't look at emacs, no you'd just rather die
You know you're gonna have to face it;
You're addicted to vi!

Might as well face it,
You're addicted to vi!


Cheers,
Scott.
(Who has had the pleasure of avoiding vi since about 1987.)
New ROfsckingFL!
My first editor was the RT-11 editor, which some sadist at my first job ported to the Perkin-elmer machines I worked on. Then TECO, which the same sadist also ported (but it beat snot out of RT-11 editor).

Then vi.

Then something, anything else other than vi. vi makes TECO look good!. 'bout that time, PCs started happening, and along with them came word processors and real visual editors. vi became the anachronism it is today....
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT

New Yep, teco was great.
Type 'exit', replace your entire file with 't'.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New In that case
may you be force to use only EVE/TPU.
New Wuss
EVE and TPU are fine editors, although real VMS people use EDT.


Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Blog]
Expand Edited by pwhysall Sept. 14, 2004, 12:34:17 AM EDT
New Oh dear -- you woke Peter up. :-D

Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
 
Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please

-- "Anything but Ordinary" by Avril Lavigne.

New Stalker!


Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Blog]
New Used both...
...and both beat snot out of vi (and twice on Sundays).
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT

     Do you use an IDE? - (bluke) - (63)
         I use emacs - (admin) - (17)
             That was just 1 example - (bluke) - (9)
                 Re: That was just 1 example - (admin) - (8)
                     What I meant was ... - (bluke) - (4)
                         Re: What I meant was ... - (admin) - (3)
                             I never really used Emacs ... - (bluke) - (2)
                                 No argument there. - (admin)
                                 But if they're using VIM and calling it VI - (Simon_Jester)
                     I find the prefix to be distracting - (bluke) - (2)
                         That would work as well. -NT - (admin)
                         Use leading underscores for ivars - less distracting - (tuberculosis)
             Little features won me over - (bluke) - (6)
                 Re: Little features won me over - (admin) - (5)
                     I am only doing Java now - (bluke) - (3)
                         Re: I am only doing Java now - (admin) - (2)
                             I do browse jars ... - (bluke) - (1)
                                 How about embedded ones? - (admin)
                     ICLRPD (new thread) - (Another Scott)
         I'm bouncing back and forth on this. - (broomberg) - (36)
             There is no question ... - (bluke) - (30)
                 OK - (broomberg) - (29)
                     Not that I am selling Intellij ... - (bluke) - (28)
                         Doubt it - (broomberg) - (27)
                             Most of my typing is inserting text. - (admin) - (2)
                                 ed is the standard text editor. -NT - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                     ? -NT - (admin)
                             Modes are evil. - (FuManChu) - (23)
                                 ? -NT - (pwhysall) - (14)
                                     ? RTFA - (FuManChu) - (13)
                                         ? -NT - (pwhysall) - (8)
                                             Love ya man -NT - (FuManChu)
                                             Type faster, Barry! :D -NT - (FuManChu) - (1)
                                                 Huh? -NT - (broomberg)
                                             I did RTFA - (broomberg) - (4)
                                                 ? - (pwhysall) - (3)
                                                     ? - (FuManChu) - (1)
                                                         Footpedal - (altmann)
                                                     Yup - (broomberg)
                                         ? -NT - (admin) - (3)
                                             ??? -NT - (Yendor) - (2)
                                                 ???? -NT - (broomberg) - (1)
                                                     !!! -NT - (Yendor)
                                 Modals wobble but they don't fall down. - (Another Scott) - (7)
                                     ROfsckingFL! - (jb4) - (6)
                                         Yep, teco was great. - (admin)
                                         In that case - (broomberg) - (4)
                                             Wuss - (pwhysall)
                                             Oh dear -- you woke Peter up. :-D -NT - (static) - (1)
                                                 Stalker! -NT - (pwhysall)
                                             Used both... - (jb4)
             VI keys. - (static) - (3)
                 I have heard this many times but never understood it - (bluke) - (2)
                     Refocus down just a little bit. - (static)
                     For me? - (Simon_Jester)
             IDEA for Java - (tuberculosis)
         The refactor tools are good - (ChrisR)
         Call it a terminology mismatch, then - (FuManChu) - (4)
             But that is what I use it for! - (broomberg) - (2)
                 How about this - (drewk) - (1)
                     Mostly. - (FuManChu)
             Maybe - (bluke)
         I don't either - (ben_tilly)
         I think I put my finger on it - (drewk)

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