Frustrated disclaimer about Orion

It's large of you to try to assist. I think that, by now you have enough phones-on experience with "aberrant individuals" to appreciate that there are severe limits to what anyone-not-They can accomplish - which actually *helps*. (We are all in this boat re "someone who Isn't moi".) Hope you can avert taking-on all that personal angst, admirable as such an attitude appears, on the face of it.

(My own view is 'an aberrant one' too) - I imagine that the odds of his seeking (and Finding!) an actually effective form of 'therapy' are vanishingly small. First-off, given the state of 'medical care' in US - This Co$ts Lots (even when it's ineffective or even if the 'method' is just plain idiotic, but Popular).

I don't think you can achieve much via the standard-ez-cheap HMO-means, now almost universally enforced: adding some new witch's brew of More pharm-chem into a nervous system and immune system likely functioning quite poorly over many years. The standard US diet is oblivious to the needs of a truly healthy digestive system --> which also affects the immune system in myriad ways we barely understand at all.

If you add-in possibly regular OTC other chemicals to a bunch of 'personal issues': where would a Good Samaritan begin?

There are ways to detoxify, even after a pattern of rilly Bad eating and other habits; to my knowledge and experience, every one of these approaches demands (at least) 3 qualifications:

An awareness as large as a 'conviction' - that one needs to alter long-standing eating and other habits, to live.

A sincere willingness to bite that bullet of 'change', and to stay with the method over many months, at the very least. 'Weeks' aren't enough.

'Conditions' - at home, work? [and in the mind] as will at least not-sabotage the efforts. Conditions also involve $$ as always - really Good food is also not cheap - supply/demand. (That doesn't mean it isn't tasty - quite the opposite).

I've seen the effects of such changes in regimen and while "I don't do regimens" [Hah] I'm experimenting with one which I've recently seen save someone's life, literally. (Which I deemed a sufficient reason to verify some things for myself - call it Science.)

For the unwilling, as-in combative, disturbed or merely doggedly stubborn person -?- Save Your Breath. As Fritz Perls liked to say, "You are not here to meet my expectations and I am not here to meet yours". (That's not all he said, but it does tend to Get One's Attention)

Luck, Owlet - you are quite less infuriating than early-on, and you've said some actually wise things IMO; guess we won't have to stuff you / mount on teak perch, etc.

er, :-\ufffd

I've explained over and over, when you take it into my group, then I'm going to act. If you threaten suicide in my group, yes I'll call someone. If you make accusations in my group, yes I'll go wherever I have to to dispute them if I don't believe them. And if you make wild and crazy paranoid posts in my group, I will deal with those.

When you post it here or in your group, I do not feel as responsible, but when you come in mine and do it, I do.

You also need to bear in mind that YOU posted in your Yahoo IWT group asking about maybe having been banned. Who were you posting to, if not me, since I'm the one who mostly corresponds with you there. You asked for help with your connection problem, and I came here to get it.

Then when I had exhausted all options with John and technically, we had to consider that maybe you had done something unknowingly, yourself, and I had to make it clear to IWT that I was not aware that could have been the case at first. I did NOT post details of your condition here, my post mainly covered the possibility that one of your alter-egos had managed to surface and sabotage you. I didn't want to look like a fool if we had come to the conclusion that I was asking IWT to help solve a problem that you yourself had created, and that's the last thing I'm saying on it in here. You know where to find me in IWT Yahoo.

Nightowl >8#

Post #169,892 by Nightowl 8/18/04 1:59:24 PM Reply	Frustrated disclaimer about Orion I'm not sure why I'm posting this, except I don't want anyone to get the wrong idea ok? I know that you all have noticed lately that Orion has been acing rather oddly again, and he's behaving even more oddly on my group and IWT Yahoo. He is the person who is unable to connect here anymore, and I at first believed it was a real technical problem, but now, I confess I'm not sure. I'm beginning to think now that maybe somehow one of his alter egos has done something to prevent his connecting here, and that in some ways I've been duped, but I swear to everyone here, if that's the case, I didn't know, and I'm still not sure. He's making wild claims about stuff, and I'm really convinced that he's not ok right now. So if I've been trying to help him fix something that he or one of his persona's sabotaged himself somehow, whether knowingly or not knowingly, I apologize in advance to all here, and appreciated your help. I'm just not sure what to do now... Nightowl >8# "A determined soul will do more with a rusty monkey wrench than a loafer will accomplish with all the tools in a machine shop." -- Robert Hughes, Australian Art Critic, Writer
Post #169,893 by Another Scott 8/18/04 2:01:58 PM Reply	He needs to help himself. Or get help himself.
Post #169,894 by Nightowl 8/18/04 2:04:13 PM Reply	I realize that I just don't know how to respond to some of the stuff he's posting on PA, (my group) and if I don't counter some of it, he could freak people out over there. Sigh.... and I'm trying not to resort to putting him back on moderation... It's like walking on thin ice trying to balance it all. Thanks Scott. Nightowl >8# "A determined soul will do more with a rusty monkey wrench than a loafer will accomplish with all the tools in a machine shop." -- Robert Hughes, Australian Art Critic, Writer
Post #169,899 by boxley 8/18/04 2:29:17 PM Reply	dont worry, he's enjoying every minute of it These miserable swine, having nothing but illusions to live on, marshmallows for the soul in place of good meat, will now stoop to any disgusting level to prevent even those miserable morsels from vanishing into thin air. The country is being destroyed by these stupid, vicious right-wing fanatics, the spiritual brothers of the brownshirts and redstars, collectivists and authoritarians all, who would not know freedom if it bit them on the ass, who spend all their time trying to stamp, bludgeon, and eviscerate the very idea of the individual's right to his own private world. DRL questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #169,901 by Nightowl 8/18/04 2:31:21 PM Reply	Wish I was. I privately asked certain members in my group to not react to his posts, so maybe.... Nightowl >8# "A determined soul will do more with a rusty monkey wrench than a loafer will accomplish with all the tools in a machine shop." -- Robert Hughes, Australian Art Critic, Writer
Post #169,925 by Ashton 8/18/04 4:44:22 PM Reply	Re: Wish I was. It's large of you to try to assist. I think that, by now you have enough phones-on experience with "aberrant individuals" to appreciate that there are severe limits to what anyone-not-They can accomplish - which actually helps. (We are all in this boat re "someone who Isn't moi".) Hope you can avert taking-on all that personal angst, admirable as such an attitude appears, on the face of it. (My own view is 'an aberrant one' too) - I imagine that the odds of his seeking (and Finding!) an actually effective form of 'therapy' are vanishingly small. First-off, given the state of 'medical care' in US - This Co$ts Lots (even when it's ineffective or even if the 'method' is just plain idiotic, but Popular). I don't think you can achieve much via the standard-ez-cheap HMO-means, now almost universally enforced: adding some new witch's brew of More pharm-chem into a nervous system and immune system likely functioning quite poorly over many years. The standard US diet is oblivious to the needs of a truly healthy digestive system --> which also affects the immune system in myriad ways we barely understand at all. If you add-in possibly regular OTC other chemicals to a bunch of 'personal issues': where would a Good Samaritan begin? There are ways to detoxify, even after a pattern of rilly Bad eating and other habits; to my knowledge and experience, every one of these approaches demands (at least) 3 qualifications: An awareness as large as a 'conviction' - that one needs to alter long-standing eating and other habits, to live. A sincere willingness to bite that bullet of 'change', and to stay with the method over many months, at the very least. 'Weeks' aren't enough. 'Conditions' - at home, work? [and in the mind] as will at least not-sabotage the efforts. Conditions also involve $$ as always - really Good food is also not cheap - supply/demand. (That doesn't mean it isn't tasty - quite the opposite). I've seen the effects of such changes in regimen and while "I don't do regimens" [Hah] I'm experimenting with one which I've recently seen save someone's life, literally. (Which I deemed a sufficient reason to verify some things for myself - call it Science.) For the unwilling, as-in combative, disturbed or merely doggedly stubborn person -?- Save Your Breath. As Fritz Perls liked to say, "You are not here to meet my expectations and I am not here to meet yours". (That's not all he said, but it does tend to Get One's Attention) Luck, Owlet - you are quite less infuriating than early-on, and you've said some actually wise things IMO; guess we won't have to stuff you / mount on teak perch, etc. er, :-\ufffd
Post #169,930 by Nightowl 8/18/04 4:54:31 PM Reply	Wow... thanks It's large of you to try to assist. I think that, by now you have enough phones-on experience with "aberrant individuals" to appreciate that there are severe limits to what anyone-not-They can accomplish - which actually helps. (We are all in this boat re "someone who Isn't moi".) Hope you can avert taking-on all that personal angst, admirable as such an attitude appears, on the face of it. Thanks Ashton, I wasn't sure whether to post that, but I didn't want anyone to think I was behind any of it. I realize there is only so much I can do, but I worry because he has a child, and well, if I can do anything to help I try. Luck, Owlet - you are quite less infuriating than early-on, and you've said some actually wise things IMO; guess we won't have to stuff you / mount on teak perch, etc. Hehehe, well I've tried hard to be less infuriating, honest. I've tried to take in all the input here and adjust my posting levels and posting content accordingly, although I still tend to talk about myself in third person sometimes, (Sorry, Ross), I don't mean to, it just slips out because it's a fun habit I share with John. I think I have quite enough "stuffed" owls anyway. ;) Nightowl >8# "A determined soul will do more with a rusty monkey wrench than a loafer will accomplish with all the tools in a machine shop." -- Robert Hughes, Australian Art Critic, Writer
Post #170,025 by orion 8/19/04 12:08:03 AM Reply	I've had enough help from people who are not qualified to give help. If you all really care about me, you'd quit picking on me and let me handle this myself and with my doctor. I had to double my medicine recently to get into a better state. The more you push and shove and pick on me and bring up past behaviors, the more likely my suicidal thoughts will return, and I cannot afford that. So I am asking nicely to please lay off. *"When a true genius appears in the world you may know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in confederacy against him." - Jonathan Swift* [link\|http://www.xormad.com:4096/district268\|I am from District 268].
Post #170,028 by inthane-chan 8/19/04 12:12:24 AM Reply	Until there is a firm delineating line between "normal" and "mad" Orion, it will be impossible to tell when you are starting to slip over the line, and thus to stop responding to you. So, you leave us two options - stop responding to you entirely, or to ignore your advice. As far as giving away your secret, it's pretty much out in the open already - your own actions have shown the truth much better than any single post any of us have ever put down. What will we do when we are Gods?
Post #170,031 by orion 8/19/04 12:20:27 AM Reply	Why then, oh why, do hardly none of you take those two options and instead degrade me, call me an idiot, etc? *"When a true genius appears in the world you may know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in confederacy against him." - Jonathan Swift* [link\|http://www.xormad.com:4096/district268\|I am from District 268].
Post #170,032 by inthane-chan 8/19/04 12:22:22 AM Reply	Did I call you an idiot? Seriously? Did I? What will we do when we are Gods?
Post #170,035 by orion 8/19/04 12:26:30 AM 8/19/04 1:01:17 PM Reply	In a manner of speaking I often get my intelligence questioned here by many people, so many that it is hard to keep score, or tell people apart. Just another part of my illness, I guess? Yet you never defended me when others called me an idiot, and you don't really seem to be following your own advice to ignore me or avoid my advice. Thus in a way you are calling me an idiot, thinking that I'll believe you that you'll ignore me, when clearly you are not. *"When a true genius appears in the world you may know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in confederacy against him." - Jonathan Swift* [link\|http://www.xormad.com:4096/district268\|I am from District 268]. Edited by orion Aug. 19, 2004, 01:01:17 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #170,142 by folkert 8/19/04 1:14:48 PM Reply	Thane... Now I get to say: Stop it! Not worth it anymore. Drop it. If we try to be concerned he will just make the situation worse to get more concern. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link\|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp\|source] Here is an example: [link\|http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm001-ie/\|Executing arbitrary commands without Active Scripting or ActiveX when using Windows]
Post #170,148 by orion 8/19/04 1:18:25 PM Reply	Yes please do drop it that is what I want, to be left alone. To have people stop trying to "snap me out of it" and let me get out of it on my own and with my doctor's help. *"When a true genius appears in the world you may know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in confederacy against him." - Jonathan Swift* [link\|http://www.xormad.com:4096/district268\|I am from District 268].
Post #170,150 by folkert 8/19/04 1:19:09 PM Reply	Then quite blowing smoke up our Arses. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link\|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp\|source] Here is an example: [link\|http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm001-ie/\|Executing arbitrary commands without Active Scripting or ActiveX when using Windows]
Post #170,152 by pwhysall 8/19/04 1:20:25 PM Reply	Smoking Spelunkasscrackery! Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #170,159 by orion 8/19/04 1:23:30 PM Reply	Spoken like a true master of it you do seem to use it a lot, don't you? *"When a true genius appears in the world you may know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in confederacy against him." - Jonathan Swift* [link\|http://www.xormad.com:4096/district268\|I am from District 268].
Post #170,165 by pwhysall 8/19/04 1:27:46 PM Reply	? I think I can safely say that this is the first time today that I've used the word "spelunkasscrackery". Er, second. :) Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #170,170 by orion 8/19/04 1:30:50 PM Reply	Going with that since you've invented the word, I can safely say that you are not only the expert at it, but a master at it. Whatever it is, as I don't know a thing about it. *"When a true genius appears in the world you may know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in confederacy against him." - Jonathan Swift* [link\|http://www.xormad.com:4096/district268\|I am from District 268].
Post #170,173 by pwhysall 8/19/04 1:32:22 PM Reply	Ask Greg about full-body-cavity searches. Or don't, depending on whether you've (a) had lunch and (b) want to hang onto it. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #170,952 by orion 8/25/04 3:50:01 PM Reply	Ask Greg why he ignores his own advice inquiring minds would like to know. *"When a true genius appears in the world you may know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in confederacy against him." - Jonathan Swift* [link\|http://www.xormad.com:4096/district268\|I am from District 268].
Post #171,023 by folkert 8/26/04 9:08:48 AM Reply	STFU JA. IANAG but close. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link\|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp\|source] Here is an example: [link\|http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm001-ie/\|Executing arbitrary commands without Active Scripting or ActiveX when using Windows]
Post #170,153 by orion 8/19/04 1:21:07 PM Reply	No smoke I am only defending myself from those who are being unfair. *"When a true genius appears in the world you may know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in confederacy against him." - Jonathan Swift* [link\|http://www.xormad.com:4096/district268\|I am from District 268].
Post #170,158 by folkert 8/19/04 1:22:27 PM Reply	No, blowing smoke up our bloody arses. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link\|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp\|source] Here is an example: [link\|http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm001-ie/\|Executing arbitrary commands without Active Scripting or ActiveX when using Windows]
Post #170,161 by orion 8/19/04 1:24:32 PM Reply	I've done no such thing I am not even in the same room as you guys. It is physically impossible to do. *"When a true genius appears in the world you may know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in confederacy against him." - Jonathan Swift* [link\|http://www.xormad.com:4096/district268\|I am from District 268].
Post #170,162 by folkert 8/19/04 1:24:45 PM Reply	You are continuing to right now. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link\|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp\|source] Here is an example: [link\|http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm001-ie/\|Executing arbitrary commands without Active Scripting or ActiveX when using Windows]
Post #170,164 by orion 8/19/04 1:27:28 PM Reply	I disagree, I am certainly not I am just telling you that you are wrong. You have nothing to base it on. *"When a true genius appears in the world you may know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in confederacy against him." - Jonathan Swift* [link\|http://www.xormad.com:4096/district268\|I am from District 268].
Post #170,166 by inthane-chan 8/19/04 1:28:18 PM Reply	Doctor, heed thy own advice. ;)
Post #170,168 by orion 8/19/04 1:29:27 PM Reply	I fully agree I only reply to his posts, if he stopped making them, I'd stop replying. So simple, yet it eludes his grasp of it. *"When a true genius appears in the world you may know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in confederacy against him." - Jonathan Swift* [link\|http://www.xormad.com:4096/district268\|I am from District 268].
Post #170,188 by folkert 8/19/04 1:55:42 PM Reply	Did. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link\|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp\|source] Here is an example: [link\|http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm001-ie/\|Executing arbitrary commands without Active Scripting or ActiveX when using Windows]
Post #170,131 by broomberg 8/19/04 12:34:13 PM Reply	It is pretty clear [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=169141\|http://z.iwethey.org...?contentid=169141]
Post #170,136 by boxley 8/19/04 1:06:58 PM Reply	next post down is the one you want These miserable swine, having nothing but illusions to live on, marshmallows for the soul in place of good meat, will now stoop to any disgusting level to prevent even those miserable morsels from vanishing into thin air. The country is being destroyed by these stupid, vicious right-wing fanatics, the spiritual brothers of the brownshirts and redstars, collectivists and authoritarians all, who would not know freedom if it bit them on the ass, who spend all their time trying to stamp, bludgeon, and eviscerate the very idea of the individual's right to his own private world. DRL questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #170,023 by orion 8/19/04 12:03:51 AM Reply	For your information I am miserable I almost checked into a hospital, I've been throwing up a lot, have a 101.5 fever, and I am really sick. I don't enjoy this, I understand that I am sick in the head, and I am doing what I can to get better. I am doing what I can to regain control, and I am very hurt that my condition was posted here, against my will, and in violation of my confidence, no matter what the reasoning behind it, it was wrong, and it made me sicker as a result. *"When a true genius appears in the world you may know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in confederacy against him." - Jonathan Swift* [link\|http://www.xormad.com:4096/district268\|I am from District 268].
Post #170,029 by Nightowl 8/19/04 12:13:22 AM 8/19/04 12:38:00 AM Reply	I didn't post your condtion whatsoever All I said was you were acting oddly, which everyone already knew, just from your posts. I said nothing about you being sick, having a fever, or anything else. You asked me to see if there was a problem with your connection, regarding the board, I did that, and then I clarified that it was quite possibly something one of your alter-egos did, that's all I said. I hope you get better, and see your doctor. I'm genuinely worried about you. Nightowl >8# Edit: Not to mention, if you couldn't get in here to read it, it couldn't have been what made you sicker. You told me you were sick late last night/early this am. And for your information, you aren't the only one who gets sick from stress. My chest has hurt all day from probably worrying about you, and I spent the whole day trying to help you. Sorry if that upsets you. Edit: corrected spelling "A determined soul will do more with a rusty monkey wrench than a loafer will accomplish with all the tools in a machine shop." -- Robert Hughes, Australian Art Critic, Writer Edited by Nightowl Aug. 19, 2004, 12:16:06 AM EDT Edited by Nightowl Aug. 19, 2004, 12:38:00 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #170,033 by orion 8/19/04 12:24:20 AM Reply	You posted my behavior which gave them clues about my condition. I suppose you thought you were helping? Oh well, it already happened. Sorry about your stress, please don't worry about me so much, I am doing what I can to get better, but as I said before, I simply cannot snap out of it, and it is going to take time. There may also be times that I get worse. If you cannot handle it, and it makes you sick, I strongly suggest you stop talking to me about it then. I'd rather have that, then have you get so sick you end up in a hospital from worrying about me. That is because I care about you also. *"When a true genius appears in the world you may know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in confederacy against him." - Jonathan Swift* [link\|http://www.xormad.com:4096/district268\|I am from District 268].
Post #170,036 by Nightowl 8/19/04 12:29:51 AM 8/19/04 12:31:16 AM Reply	And you posted the entire thing in PA and it's public. When you post all the details about something in public, Norman, it's no longer public. Anyone else could have read it and posted all the details here, from there. And I didn't give them clues, they already knew. Sorry if you got upset. I won't worry myself into a hospital, I manage to stop from going that far, but I do worry about you and your condition, especially when you're alone with your son, taking care of him, and especially when you are posting about it in my group. Sorry, I can't help that, it's my nature. I tried to post rational arguments in IWT Yahoo, to explain that no one was stalking you, and you were the one who told them all about the places in question. I try to ground you back in reality, that's all I try to do. Nightowl >8# Edit: Let's talk more about this in IWT Yahoo, okay? We don't need to do it here. "A determined soul will do more with a rusty monkey wrench than a loafer will accomplish with all the tools in a machine shop." -- Robert Hughes, Australian Art Critic, Writer Edited by Nightowl Aug. 19, 2004, 12:31:16 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #170,132 by orion 8/19/04 12:59:26 PM Reply	Funny you want to discuss it in Yahoo, after you've already posted about it here. I wouldn't be upset if they read it in PA or Yahoo IWT, but the fact was you posted my behavior here. Just like before when I've told you things over the phone, and our mutal friends find out what I've said to you in private. You just can't help phoning my relatives or doctor either. I have to consider your past and present behavior too, and I worry about you as well. *"When a true genius appears in the world you may know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in confederacy against him." - Jonathan Swift* [link\|http://www.xormad.com:4096/district268\|I am from District 268].
Post #170,135 by Nightowl 8/19/04 1:04:59 PM Reply	One last time, Norman I've explained over and over, when you take it into my group, then I'm going to act. If you threaten suicide in my group, yes I'll call someone. If you make accusations in my group, yes I'll go wherever I have to to dispute them if I don't believe them. And if you make wild and crazy paranoid posts in my group, I will deal with those. When you post it here or in your group, I do not feel as responsible, but when you come in mine and do it, I do. You also need to bear in mind that YOU posted in your Yahoo IWT group asking about maybe having been banned. Who were you posting to, if not me, since I'm the one who mostly corresponds with you there. You asked for help with your connection problem, and I came here to get it. Then when I had exhausted all options with John and technically, we had to consider that maybe you had done something unknowingly, yourself, and I had to make it clear to IWT that I was not aware that could have been the case at first. I did NOT post details of your condition here, my post mainly covered the possibility that one of your alter-egos had managed to surface and sabotage you. I didn't want to look like a fool if we had come to the conclusion that I was asking IWT to help solve a problem that you yourself had created, and that's the last thing I'm saying on it in here. You know where to find me in IWT Yahoo. Nightowl >8# "A determined soul will do more with a rusty monkey wrench than a loafer will accomplish with all the tools in a machine shop." -- Robert Hughes, Australian Art Critic, Writer
Post #170,140 by deSitter 8/19/04 1:12:41 PM Reply	Re: Funny You tell a woman something in confidence? Now THAT is crazy. -drl
Post #170,144 by pwhysall 8/19/04 1:15:29 PM Reply	StL H20. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #170,147 by Nightowl 8/19/04 1:17:56 PM Reply	Hehehe That's why I drink Pepsi. :) Nightowl >8# "A determined soul will do more with a rusty monkey wrench than a loafer will accomplish with all the tools in a machine shop." -- Robert Hughes, Australian Art Critic, Writer
Post #170,157 by hnick 8/19/04 1:22:15 PM Reply	Rots your teeth but leaves your brain alone?
Post #170,171 by Nightowl 8/19/04 1:31:44 PM Reply	Actually... It doesn't rot my teeth as bad as you'd think, because I now rinse with water after drinking it anywhere, and when I have the ability, I also brush afterwards. :) My dentist suggested those things, and so far, so good. Nightowl >8# "A determined soul will do more with a rusty monkey wrench than a loafer will accomplish with all the tools in a machine shop." -- Robert Hughes, Australian Art Critic, Writer
Post #170,175 by hnick 8/19/04 1:33:18 PM Reply	Actually, I was just joking... I don't use smileys much
Post #170,176 by Nightowl 8/19/04 1:34:49 PM Reply	Ah ok But you're right, if not careful, it does rot your teeth. :) Sorry I didn't catch it as a joke. Nightowl >8# "A determined soul will do more with a rusty monkey wrench than a loafer will accomplish with all the tools in a machine shop." -- Robert Hughes, Australian Art Critic, Writer
Post #170,177 by pwhysall 8/19/04 1:35:16 PM Reply	Just your guts it's rotting, then. Mind you, when I was at university, my housemate had a severe bout of food poisoning resulting in painful diarrohea. In a "quiet" moment, he visited the local quack, who prescribed... ...two litres of Coca-Cola per day. It worked. Apparently the caramel in it binds you together, so to speak. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #170,182 by Nightowl 8/19/04 1:47:18 PM Reply	Re: Just your guts it's rotting, then. Hopefully not. :) I'm trying to cut down both on amount of sodas and amounts of caffiene. I'm doing a pretty good job, too. As an alternative, I drink Sunny Delight. But yes, I have heard that cola helps with those types of disorders, believe it or not. :) Nightowl >8# "A determined soul will do more with a rusty monkey wrench than a loafer will accomplish with all the tools in a machine shop." -- Robert Hughes, Australian Art Critic, Writer
Post #170,192 by pwhysall 8/19/04 2:03:08 PM Reply	Sunny D? (new thread) Created as new thread #170191 titled [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=170191\|Sunny D?] Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #170,145 by orion 8/19/04 1:16:41 PM Reply	Billy Idiol said it best in Power Junkie "I'm outta control. I think I'm going crazy. I'm outta my mind, you can see it in my eyes!" More fool me for trusting anyone or posting anything anywhere. *"When a true genius appears in the world you may know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in confederacy against him." - Jonathan Swift* [link\|http://www.xormad.com:4096/district268\|I am from District 268].
Post #170,149 by pwhysall 8/19/04 1:18:37 PM Reply	Might be an idea to leave the computer be for a while. Just sayin'. Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #170,156 by orion 8/19/04 1:22:10 PM Reply	Might be an idea for you all to leave me alone just saying. *"When a true genius appears in the world you may know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in confederacy against him." - Jonathan Swift* [link\|http://www.xormad.com:4096/district268\|I am from District 268].
Post #170,180 by Silverlock 8/19/04 1:44:36 PM Reply	Boggle ----------------------------------------- It is much harder to be a liberal than a conservative. Why? Because it is easier to give someone the finger than it is to give them a helping hand. Mike Royko
Post #170,236 by CRConrad 8/19/04 3:16:21 PM Reply	You want to be left alone? (new thread) Created as new thread #170235 titled [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=170235\|You want to be left alone?]
Post #169,927 by ben_tilly 8/18/04 4:46:11 PM Reply	I'd recommend avoiding enabling him To deny the indirect purchaser, who in this case is the ultimate purchaser, the right to seek relief from unlawful conduct, would essentially remove the word consumer from the Consumer Protection Act - [link\|http://www.techworld.com/opsys/news/index.cfm?NewsID=1246&Page=1&pagePos=20\|Nebraska Supreme Court]
Post #169,932 by Nightowl 8/18/04 4:57:47 PM Reply	That's the problem Ben... How much is enabling him? I talked with my members and they think it's better to let him ramble on about whatever on PA without stopping him. Is that enabling him, or is stopping him enabling him? I wish I had more idea what the right thing to do was. Nightowl >8# "A determined soul will do more with a rusty monkey wrench than a loafer will accomplish with all the tools in a machine shop." -- Robert Hughes, Australian Art Critic, Writer
Post #169,935 by inthane-chan 8/18/04 5:02:18 PM Reply	Enabling his sense of self-persecution is to be avoided. Don't block him, don't reply to him except in measured tones, pointing out the logical fallacies in his arguments. Don't give him any ammunition, don't flame him, don't ban him, just gently remind him that he is not God. What will we do when we are Gods?
Post #169,938 by Nightowl 8/18/04 5:11:50 PM 8/18/04 5:13:35 PM Reply	Wow, that's what I decided to do! Thanks Inthane. Nice to know I'm making semi-smart decisions on it! I'm not agreeing with his accusations and paranoias, and I'm pointing out the fallacies, and trying to be a type of reality check. Nightowl >8# Edit: prematurely sent post, edited it to finish it rather than have a dupe. "A determined soul will do more with a rusty monkey wrench than a loafer will accomplish with all the tools in a machine shop." -- Robert Hughes, Australian Art Critic, Writer Edited by Nightowl Aug. 18, 2004, 05:13:35 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #170,026 by orion 8/19/04 12:09:37 AM Reply	I am not perfect and I am not God I also don't need any more interference. *"When a true genius appears in the world you may know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in confederacy against him." - Jonathan Swift* [link\|http://www.xormad.com:4096/district268\|I am from District 268].

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