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New Saddam's WMD have been found
[link|http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38213|http://www.worldnetd...?ARTICLE_ID=38213]
The United Nations was fully aware that Saddam had established his chemical-weapons plants under the guise of a permitted civilian chemical-industry infrastructure. Plants inspected in the early 1990s as CW production facilities had been set up to appear as if they were producing pesticides, or in the case of a giant plant near Fallujah, chlorine, which is used to produce mustard gas.

When coalition forces entered Iraq, "huge warehouses and caches of 'commercial and agricultural' chemicals were seized and painstakingly tested by Army and Marine chemical specialists," Hanson writes. "What was surprising was how quickly the ISG refuted the findings of our ground forces and how silent they have been on the significance of these caches."

Caches of "commercial and agricultural" chemicals don't match the expectation of "stockpiles" of chemical weapons. But, in fact, that is precisely what they are. "At a very minimum," Hanson tells Insight, "they were storing the precursors to restart a chemical-warfare program very quickly."

Kay and Duelfer came to a similar conclusion, telling Congress under oath that Saddam had built new facilities and stockpiled the materials to relaunch production of chemical and biological weapons at a moment's notice. At Karbala, U.S. troops stumbled upon 55-gallon drums of pesticides at what appeared to be a very large "agricultural supply" area, Hanson says. Some of the drums were stored in a "camouflaged bunker complex" that was shown to reporters -- with unpleasant results.

"More than a dozen soldiers, a Knight-Ridder reporter, a CNN cameraman, and two Iraqi POWs came down with symptoms consistent with exposure to a nerve agent," Hanson says. "But later ISG tests resulted in a proclamation of negative, end of story, nothing to see here, etc., and the earlier findings and injuries dissolved into nonexistence. Left unexplained is the small matter of the obvious pains taken to disguise the cache of ostensibly legitimate pesticides. One wonders about the advantage an agricultural-commodities business gains by securing drums of pesticide in camouflaged bunkers 6 feet underground. The 'agricultural site' was also colocated with a military ammunition dump -- evidently nothing more than a coincidence in the eyes of the ISG."

That wasn't the only significant find by coalition troops of probable CW stockpiles, Hanson believes. Near the northern Iraqi town of Bai'ji, where Saddam had built a chemical-weapons plant known to the United States from nearly 12 years of inspections, elements of the 4th Infantry Division found 55-gallon drums containing a substance identified through mass spectrometry analysis as cyclosarin -- a nerve agent.

Nearby were surface-to-surface and surface-to-air missiles, gas masks and a mobile laboratory that could have been used to mix chemicals at the site.

"Of course, later tests by the experts revealed that these were only the ubiquitous pesticides that everybody was turning up," Hanson says. "It seems Iraqi soldiers were obsessed with keeping ammo dumps insect-free, according to the reading of the evidence now enshrined by the conventional wisdom that 'no WMD stockpiles have been discovered.'"
New Right....
You know I just realized something! The Democratic Convention is about to start! You don't think there is some right-wing bullshit behind this do you? Could it be? I mean, yes, WND is a right-wing toilet roll, but Bushco wouldn't lie to us, would they? Would they? WOULD THEY?
-drl
New Nice conspiracy theory...
...but the article was posted April 26, 2004 1:36 p.m. Eastern.
New Re: Nice conspiracy theory...
IOW you are a righty shill, bringing up bullshit again.
-drl
New I'm always fascinated....
...at how angry folks can get when you question conventional wisdom.

It would be nice to see a few posts about the actual content of the article. Maybe there are some good explainations for the pesticides stored in camaflouged bunkers in ammo dumps. Anyone know any good reason for placing mysterious liquids in mortar shells? Has this been covered before and I just missed it?
New Re: I'm always fascinated....
THERE ARE NO FRIGGIN' WMD. SADDAM IS A PETTY ROMANCE NOVEL AUTHOR WITH A SHOTGUN AND A NICE HAT.
-drl
New The stories I saw about the shells said they were old.
They were apparently from the Iran-Iraq war timeframe. E.g. [link|http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3722255.stm|BBC].

WND has very little credibility with lots of people. E.g. [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=59950|this] thread that started with a WND article.

Let's see what the actual ISG reports say. :-)

Cheers,
Scott.
New Another unconfirmed WMD story.
[link|http://interestalert.com/brand/siteia.shtml?Story=st/sn/07210000aaa01bea.upi&Sys=siteia&Fid=WORLDNEW&Type=News&Filter=World%20News|UPI] found via Drudge:

Nuclear arms reportedly found in Iraq

BAGHDAD, July 21 (UPI) -- Iraqi security reportedly discovered three missiles carrying nuclear heads concealed in a concrete trench northwest of Baghdad, official sources said Wednesday.

The official daily al-Sabah quoted the sources as saying the missiles were discovered in trenches near the city of Tikrit, the hometown of ousted Iraqi President Saddam Hussein.

"The three missiles were discovered by chance when the Iraqi security forces captured former Baath party official Khoder al-Douri who revealed during interrogation the location of the missiles saying they carried nuclear heads," the sources said.

They pointed out that the missiles were actually discovered in the trenches lying under six meters of concrete and designed in a way to unable sophisticated sensors from discovering nuclear radiation.

[...]


Remember, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence...

Cheers,
Scott.
New "Nothing has been found. The report is not factual."
..so says a sergeant with the Big Red 1.

[link|http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaking/20040721-081009-2541r.htm|http://www.washtimes...-081009-2541r.htm]

I just wonder what the hell this is supposed to mean...why would someone make something like that up? Just to confuse the voters?
-drl
New I posted this before
Agriculural chemicals stored in neat underground bunkers in a military base. It was shot down then too.
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"...was poorly, lugubrious and intoxicated."

-- Patrick O'Brian, "Master and Commander"
Expand Edited by Arkadiy July 21, 2004, 03:33:09 PM EDT
New Nice bit of exaggeration
It's a nice bit of exaggeration, the article tries to ignore two basic problems. The biggest is that pesticides are chemical weapons, just less powerful ones. Thus they will detect as WMDs on field tests, but the more sophisticated tests used by the labs pick up the difference. And even better, exposure to pesticides can cause the same symptoms as chemical weapons and even death in extreme cases.

The other problem is that there was nothing unsual about the Iraqi's hiding pesticides in bunkers. They where hiding and camouflaging anything they dind't want the Americans to blow up. Particularly something that might be used as a weapon.

The reality is that the convention wisdom is correct there. No stockpiles of WMDs have been found. And in fact, the best available evidence today says that they never will be found because they never existed in the first place.

Jay
New Ready to crop dust in 45 minutes.
Now we know where *that* claim came from.
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It is much harder to be a liberal than a conservative. Why?
Because it is easier to give someone the finger than it is to give them a helping hand.
Mike Royko
     Saddam's WMD have been found - (johnu) - (11)
         Right.... - (deSitter) - (7)
             Nice conspiracy theory... - (johnu) - (6)
                 Re: Nice conspiracy theory... - (deSitter) - (5)
                     I'm always fascinated.... - (johnu) - (4)
                         Re: I'm always fascinated.... - (deSitter)
                         The stories I saw about the shells said they were old. - (Another Scott)
                         Another unconfirmed WMD story. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                             "Nothing has been found. The report is not factual." - (deSitter)
         I posted this before - (Arkadiy)
         Nice bit of exaggeration - (JayMehaffey) - (1)
             Ready to crop dust in 45 minutes. - (Silverlock)

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