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New Funny you mention African leaders, Ashton
(Was in a similar discussion recently: we couldn't think of Anyone near-universally respected. Desmond Tutu? Nelson Mandela.. uh, not local.)

In my parent's church, there is much discussion that the leadership of the worldwide Methodist church may come from Africa in the next decade. Why? Because the African Bishops are "saving souls" and building churches like crazy while America and Europe are in serious decline.

I agree with you that America is truly spoiled. But I also think that it is about to change. There are enough risk factors on the U.S. scene that could bring everything down. Scenarios I see in 12 months:

1. Islamic militant groups overthrow Saudi Royal Family. U.S. largest single source of imported oil is cut off. Iraq's oil facilities were disabled this week. (We've got to learn to live without the stuff, somehow.)

2. Social Security will come to a head in the next 5 years. Outlays will be coming so fast, as baby boomers retire, that our deficit will ballon. The "Social Security Trust Fund" will become the "Social Security Betrayal Fund".

3. As our deficits balloon, foreign countries will stop buying our debt.

4. An new terrorist attack on the U.S. halts everything for a week like in 2001. Sales drop dramatically, as people realize that they need to "pull back". The stock market drops below 7,000 again.

We are in for tough times folks, the cards are there. We are not prepared, most of us individually or as a nation.

We have been too aggressive in middle east and on the world scene to end up like France, Germany, or England. So, we'll be taking our lumps.

New Re: Funny you mention African leaders, Ashton
I agree with you that America is truly spoiled. But I also think that it is about to change. There are enough risk factors on the U.S. scene that could bring everything down. Scenarios I see in 12 months:

<snip>

1. Islamic militant groups overthrow Saudi Royal Family. U.S. largest single source of imported oil is cut off. Iraq's oil facilities were disabled this week. (We've got to learn to live without the stuff, somehow.)

Actually, this is not true. The United States largest source of imported oil is... Canada.

From [link|http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/usa.html|http://www.eia.doe.g...meu/cabs/usa.html]

"Overall, the top suppliers of oil (crude and refined products) to the United States during 2003 were Canada (2.1 MMBD), Saudi Arabia (1.8 MMBD), Mexico (1.6 MMBD), and Venezuela (1.4 MMBD)."

That said, we are not capable of ramping up production enough to replace the imported oil that would be lost if SA were to become a failed state.
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New Re: Funny you mention African leaders, Ashton
I think you'll find that the US government is prepared to go to quite extreme lengths to assure the flow of oil from Saudi Arabia.


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New The problem with this is
it's easy to ensure that no oil comes out. All you have to do is to break the infrastructure. Considering that under the circumstances envisioned that most of the local population would not be interested in keeping it going, this would not be difficult.
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New I stand corrected....
Let's hope Islamic militants never threaten Canada.

See, I do have a sense of humor once in a while.

Glen Austin
     Bloomberg commentary on wages and job creation - (Another Scott) - (15)
         Re: Bloomberg commentary on wages and job creation - (deSitter) - (14)
             You still can - - (Ashton) - (13)
                 It depends. - (Another Scott) - (12)
                     I think it's magnified - going downhill from 'sufficiency' - (Ashton) - (11)
                         Funny you mention African leaders, Ashton - (gdaustin) - (4)
                             Re: Funny you mention African leaders, Ashton - (jake123) - (3)
                                 Re: Funny you mention African leaders, Ashton - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                     The problem with this is - (jake123)
                                 I stand corrected.... - (gdaustin)
                         We are more ethical than you'd think - (ben_tilly) - (5)
                             Yes, I've had similar experiences.. still.. - (Ashton) - (4)
                                 Being ethical doesn't usually get you ahead. :-( - (ben_tilly) - (3)
                                     It's a mixture - (broomberg) - (2)
                                         Indeed - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                                             Parsing behaviour into bizness 'logic' - (Ashton)

Put *that* in your pipe and smoke it!
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