Post #159,061
6/8/04 4:47:46 PM
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Wow, that was fun.
I just installed Debian Woody (Stable) on a VMWare installation, for future test+update. Annoying fact: X on Stable does not work until you've installed the VMWare tools, which requires the installation of the kernel-headers package - and not just ANY kernel-headers package, but the one for your specifically installed kernel.
Yummy, especially for a guy who thinks that kernel-source should have kernel-headers... :P
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Post #159,064
6/8/04 4:57:30 PM
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No...
Kernel Headers are for building things for you running kernel. No need for Source.
I have proven this time and time again, over and over to Stoopid Sheeple on the Debian User Mailing list.
Sorry, but you are lumped in there too :)
Anyway, why would you install kernel-headers-2.4.18-1-686 when you might be running kernel-image-2.4.18-1-k7?
seems right to me that you should have the proper headers for your running kernel. The only difference: headers vs image
/me bogs at how that is *SO* hard :-P
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Post #159,074
6/8/04 5:12:49 PM
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Oh, I figured it out...
...remember, I was starting from scratch, and I wasn't aware that a separate "headers" package existed. Once I got that bit down, it was just looking at the packages list and discovering the right package.
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Post #159,103
6/8/04 7:10:40 PM
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/me hand goes up?
If you are building an image using source with headers particular for that source wouldnt source be useful?
thanx,
bill
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Post #159,126
6/8/04 10:15:18 PM
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Okay... here is what *I* think you mean...
If you are making a kernel-image (debian style) you need source.
If you are making "aftermarket" modules for your kernel, rather than D/L the source and configure it and re-compile it. All you would have to do is D/L the headers (the build dir) for your exact kernel (which is provided as a packageby Debian)
Most every package that needs to compile against the current kernel *FIND* this header dir. Makes the whole thing easy.
The only time you need kernel source (in debian) is a custom kernel. You will never need the configured source ever, unless you are doing a custom kernel.
If you are compiling a kernel, you do not need the headers... you make the headers with the kernel source.
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Post #159,156
6/9/04 8:38:33 AM
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Okay
so when you install a module, you are inserting into current running Kernel. If you needed to compile some archaic POS that wasnt a module and didnt understand the architecture into the kernel, the $INCLUDE_DIRS would contain all the headers for your modules and so would build without issue along with the archaic POS.
thanx,
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Post #159,159
6/9/04 8:59:22 AM
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Translation plz.
It isn't at all clear what you're driving at.
To be clear: if you're compiling kernel modules, you need kernel source.
If you're developing software that makes kernel calls, you don't. The headers will suffice.
I'm sure that if I've fluffed this I will be rapidly and aggressively corrected.
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Post #159,162
6/9/04 9:01:01 AM
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thats what I meant. thanx
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Post #159,200
6/9/04 12:18:12 PM
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nVidia Kernel modules only need headers.
As does the VPN Shiite from Cisco (it make a module as well)
ATI's driver s are very similar only needing headers for it's module.
list could go on.
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Post #159,214
6/9/04 12:58:05 PM
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Nods sagely.
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