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by FuManChu

5/26/04 4:21:36 PM

That explains a lot

Thus, are OO programs really databases or are databases with code really OO?

Do you really believe this question has an answer?

Re: Login checks and declarative processing - (admin) - (130) - May 24, 2004, 06:01:48 PM EDT

Re Re: Login checks and declarative processing - (tablizer) - (129) - May 24, 2004, 07:17:45 PM EDT

Declarative languages can easily be turing complete - (ChrisR) - (9) - May 24, 2004, 07:20:06 PM EDT

I am assuming he means XML-like -NT - (tablizer) - (8) - May 24, 2004, 07:46:00 PM EDT

There are a multitude of XML based languages.... - (ChrisR) - (7) - May 24, 2004, 08:11:34 PM EDT

If your config files are TC, then why have 2 langs? -NT - (tablizer) - (5) - May 24, 2004, 08:29:04 PM EDT

Do you really have to ask? - (ChrisR) - (2) - May 24, 2004, 08:35:23 PM EDT

TC != Easy -NT - (tablizer) - (1) - May 24, 2004, 10:55:40 PM EDT

Exactly. - (ChrisR) - May 24, 2004, 11:15:07 PM EDT

One's a hammer, the other is a screwdriver. -NT - (admin) - May 24, 2004, 08:35:44 PM EDT

As an aside, that question has popped up in another context - (ChrisR) - May 24, 2004, 09:03:21 PM EDT

BTW, Turing machines don't require much. - (ChrisR) - May 24, 2004, 08:34:25 PM EDT

Re: Login checks and declarative processing - (admin) - (118) - May 24, 2004, 07:49:02 PM EDT

Re: Login checks and declarative processing - (admin) - (116) - May 24, 2004, 08:35:10 PM EDT

Polymorphism - (tablizer) - (115) - May 24, 2004, 09:48:47 PM EDT

Raison d'etre d'composition - (FuManChu) - (3) - May 24, 2004, 10:26:31 PM EDT

Epicycles - (tablizer) - (2) - May 24, 2004, 10:51:41 PM EDT

Re: Epicycles - (admin) - May 25, 2004, 12:05:15 AM EDT

Once more with feeling - (FuManChu) - May 25, 2004, 11:13:30 AM EDT

So the best organization of code is... - (ChrisR) - (8) - May 24, 2004, 11:16:32 PM EDT

The funny thing is... - (admin) - (1) - May 25, 2004, 12:06:18 AM EDT

Noticed that too - (drewk) - May 25, 2004, 09:21:30 AM EDT

That is NOT what I said - (tablizer) - (5) - May 25, 2004, 01:31:18 AM EDT

Re: That is NOT what I said - (admin) - May 25, 2004, 10:16:12 AM EDT

Poor dichotomy on which to base your opinion of OO - (FuManChu) - (3) - May 25, 2004, 11:19:09 AM EDT

re: Poor dichotomy on which to base your opinion of OO - (tablizer) - (2) - May 25, 2004, 07:30:34 PM EDT

re: Poor dichotomy on which to base your opinion of OO - (admin) - (1) - May 25, 2004, 07:36:46 PM EDT

How Lisp of you. Just add some TOP now. -NT - (tablizer) - May 25, 2004, 08:17:23 PM EDT

Who says it's hard-coupled to a single factor? - (admin) - (101) - May 24, 2004, 11:57:05 PM EDT

so you say - (tablizer) - (100) - May 25, 2004, 01:26:37 AM EDT

Sounds like another... - (admin) - (99) - May 25, 2004, 09:53:22 AM EDT

Text is linear - (tablizer) - (98) - May 25, 2004, 04:46:02 PM EDT

Re: Text is linear - (admin) - (97) - May 25, 2004, 04:59:33 PM EDT

Delt-A-Matic - (tablizer) - (96) - May 25, 2004, 07:25:43 PM EDT

Re: Delt-A-Matic - (admin) - (95) - May 25, 2004, 07:36:15 PM EDT

problem is treed-files, not procedural - (tablizer) - (94) - May 25, 2004, 08:15:51 PM EDT

Re: problem is treed-files, not procedural - (admin) - (21) - May 25, 2004, 08:26:03 PM EDT

Re: problem is treed-files, not procedural - (tablizer) - (20) - May 25, 2004, 09:02:21 PM EDT

Re: problem is treed-files, not procedural - (admin) - (19) - May 25, 2004, 09:11:02 PM EDT

Re: problem is treed-files, not procedural - (tablizer) - (18) - May 26, 2004, 01:39:55 AM EDT

Re: problem is treed-files, not procedural - (admin) - (17) - May 26, 2004, 08:17:33 AM EDT

misunderstanding - (tablizer) - (16) - May 26, 2004, 12:49:28 PM EDT

Re: misunderstanding - (admin) - (15) - May 26, 2004, 02:38:55 PM EDT

Well... I pack up my development database and... - (ChrisR) - May 26, 2004, 02:43:12 PM EDT

How do you prime it in the first place? - (folkert) - (2) - May 26, 2004, 03:30:05 PM EDT

I prefer Kilz myself. -NT - (Another Scott) - (1) - May 26, 2004, 03:41:04 PM EDT

That works well... - (folkert) - May 26, 2004, 03:51:37 PM EDT

The file system *is* a database - (tablizer) - (9) - May 26, 2004, 03:54:38 PM EDT

Re: The file system *is* a database - (admin) - (8) - May 26, 2004, 04:48:29 PM EDT

over-the-phone brain surgery - (tablizer) - (7) - May 26, 2004, 07:27:42 PM EDT

Re: over-the-phone brain surgery - (admin) - (6) - May 26, 2004, 07:39:07 PM EDT

a single command does not like databases? - (tablizer) - (5) - May 27, 2004, 01:29:08 AM EDT

Re: a single command does not like databases? - (admin) - (3) - May 27, 2004, 09:16:09 AM EDT

Re: single command - (tablizer) - (2) - May 27, 2004, 12:46:38 PM EDT

Naw... you are thinking... - (folkert) - May 27, 2004, 01:55:32 PM EDT

Re: single command - (admin) - May 27, 2004, 02:46:30 PM EDT

Database migrations (new thread) - (admin) - May 27, 2004, 09:16:20 AM EDT

Nit: some code does belong in a database. (sp's) -NT - (mmoffitt) - May 27, 2004, 04:52:26 PM EDT

Exactly. - (FuManChu) - (71) - May 25, 2004, 08:40:29 PM EDT

Amazing, isn't it? - (admin) - May 25, 2004, 08:42:41 PM EDT

OO takes credit for sunrises even - (tablizer) - (69) - May 25, 2004, 09:11:42 PM EDT

Scheme and the Lambda Calculus - (ChrisR) - May 25, 2004, 09:12:57 PM EDT

Re: OO takes credit for sunrises even - (admin) - (60) - May 25, 2004, 09:13:22 PM EDT

No way Jose -- Gotta go to DB anyhow - (tablizer) - (59) - May 26, 2004, 01:30:09 AM EDT

Er... - (admin) - (27) - May 26, 2004, 08:11:48 AM EDT

"Use OO because OO is faster" is the best you can do? - (tablizer) - (26) - May 26, 2004, 12:40:01 PM EDT

Serious question - (drewk) - (2) - May 26, 2004, 01:12:56 PM EDT

Interrelated - (tablizer) - (1) - May 26, 2004, 04:08:44 PM EDT

Re: Interrelated - (admin) - May 26, 2004, 04:54:00 PM EDT

Re: "Use OO because OO is faster" is the best you can do? - (admin) - (22) - May 26, 2004, 05:00:33 PM EDT

Table != Disk - (tablizer) - (21) - May 27, 2004, 01:42:29 PM EDT

Re: OR mappers slowing things down - (ChrisR) - (17) - May 27, 2004, 01:51:37 PM EDT

Re: OR mappers slowing things down - (tablizer) - (16) - May 27, 2004, 02:38:09 PM EDT

Re: OR mappers slowing things down - (ChrisR) - (15) - May 27, 2004, 02:51:27 PM EDT

Re: OR mappers slowing things down - (tablizer) - (14) - May 27, 2004, 03:32:44 PM EDT

Procedural abstraction - (ChrisR) - (2) - May 27, 2004, 03:52:22 PM EDT

My abstraction can beat up your abstraction - (tablizer) - (1) - May 27, 2004, 04:59:40 PM EDT

re: Relational is more than storage (new thread) - (ChrisR) - May 27, 2004, 05:23:52 PM EDT

It wasn't a caching issue - (ben_tilly) - (10) - May 27, 2004, 05:44:43 PM EDT

No file IO - (admin) - (9) - May 27, 2004, 06:36:08 PM EDT

I understand how it worked - (ben_tilly) - (8) - May 27, 2004, 06:42:57 PM EDT

Index lookup in code, or table index? - (admin) - (7) - May 27, 2004, 06:51:28 PM EDT

That requirement would shock me - (ben_tilly) - (6) - May 27, 2004, 07:14:44 PM EDT

Re: That requirement would shock me - (admin) - (5) - May 27, 2004, 10:10:43 PM EDT

Question about Oracle tables - (ChrisR) - (2) - May 27, 2004, 10:33:28 PM EDT

You can pin them in memory. - (admin) - (1) - May 27, 2004, 11:06:22 PM EDT

Oracle tables pinned in memory. - (admin) - June 3, 2004, 10:56:28 PM EDT

You did give the impression that CPU was the issue - (ben_tilly) - (1) - May 27, 2004, 11:04:10 PM EDT

Whoops, my mistake. -NT - (admin) - May 27, 2004, 11:05:24 PM EDT

Re: Table != Disk - (admin) - (2) - May 27, 2004, 02:56:53 PM EDT

This is an area in which I'm proud of Dejavu - (FuManChu) - (1) - May 27, 2004, 04:14:42 PM EDT

Nifty. - (admin) - May 27, 2004, 04:53:04 PM EDT

Another little anecdote for you: - (admin) - (7) - May 26, 2004, 08:35:37 AM EDT

OT: Scott, can we please do something about long lines? - (jb4) - (6) - May 26, 2004, 12:27:41 PM EDT

Dang, this was SUPPOSED to go into the Suggestions forum - (jb4) - (3) - May 26, 2004, 01:04:43 PM EDT

The other way, besides cut and paste, is to re-type it :-) -NT - (ChrisR) - (2) - May 26, 2004, 03:45:01 PM EDT

There isn't enough time in the world... - (jb4) - (1) - May 27, 2004, 10:37:13 AM EDT

HTH: As with Perl, There's More Than One Way To Do It -NT - (ChrisR) - May 27, 2004, 12:43:31 PM EDT

Perhaps one might play with CSS clip and overflow...? -NT - (FuManChu) - May 26, 2004, 03:08:03 PM EDT

Not that I'm aware of. - (admin) - May 26, 2004, 05:03:23 PM EDT

Retrieving the customer record anyway: - (admin) - (22) - May 26, 2004, 08:45:08 AM EDT

question - (tablizer) - (21) - May 26, 2004, 12:19:22 PM EDT

Re: question - (admin) - (20) - May 26, 2004, 05:01:17 PM EDT

The other method is to have one column.... - (ChrisR) - (2) - May 26, 2004, 05:06:03 PM EDT

Re: The other method is to have one column.... - (admin) - (1) - May 26, 2004, 05:09:50 PM EDT

That's the spirit!!! -NT - (ChrisR) - May 26, 2004, 05:22:00 PM EDT

I would have to look at the nature of the data -NT - (tablizer) - (16) - May 26, 2004, 07:09:21 PM EDT

Are you kidding?? - (admin) - (15) - May 26, 2004, 07:41:22 PM EDT

suggestion 3 - (tablizer) - (14) - May 27, 2004, 01:43:07 AM EDT

Re: suggestion 3 - (admin) - (13) - May 27, 2004, 08:55:03 AM EDT

bottleneck black box - (tablizer) - (12) - May 27, 2004, 01:23:42 PM EDT

Storing Dictionary as Session variables in ASP - (ChrisR) - (8) - May 27, 2004, 01:30:59 PM EDT

It has gotta go *somewhere* - (tablizer) - (7) - May 27, 2004, 01:52:52 PM EDT

ASP is OO - (ChrisR) - (6) - May 27, 2004, 02:08:10 PM EDT

re: ASP is OO - (tablizer) - (5) - May 27, 2004, 02:28:21 PM EDT

ASP = COM - (ChrisR) - (4) - May 27, 2004, 02:55:24 PM EDT

re: ASP = COM - (tablizer) - (3) - May 27, 2004, 03:18:32 PM EDT

ChiliSoft ASP - (ChrisR) - (2) - May 27, 2004, 03:33:09 PM EDT

Interesting terminology - (FuManChu) - (1) - May 27, 2004, 04:19:21 PM EDT

You're probably correct convention-wise - (ChrisR) - May 27, 2004, 04:32:41 PM EDT

Re: bottleneck black box - (admin) - (2) - May 27, 2004, 03:30:05 PM EDT

how they relate - (tablizer) - (1) - May 27, 2004, 03:47:54 PM EDT

Re: how they relate - (admin) - May 27, 2004, 04:11:02 PM EDT

I don't understand why you mention "eval" -NT - (FuManChu) - (6) - May 25, 2004, 09:30:28 PM EDT

re: I don't understand why you mention "eval" - (tablizer) - (5) - May 26, 2004, 01:27:26 AM EDT

I get it now. - (FuManChu) - (4) - May 26, 2004, 10:57:29 AM EDT

OO is just a (bad) reinvention of 60's databases with - (tablizer) - (3) - May 26, 2004, 12:43:59 PM EDT

No. You are a proponent of OO programming. - (folkert) - (2) - May 26, 2004, 01:10:43 PM EDT

The question that launched a thousand arguments - (tablizer) - (1) - May 26, 2004, 04:17:57 PM EDT

That explains a lot - (FuManChu) - May 26, 2004, 04:21:36 PM EDT

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