It is interesting to note from this discussion & several follow-on posts on Groklaw, that even a recognised authority on the history of Unix (Peter Salus) is getting involved on the side of Linux. Peter is active right at the moment in posting in Groklaw.

Here are a couple more extracts from Tanenbaums main post. 1st mentions how Brown had never even heard of Salus or his book. 2nd is the lead-in from Tanenbaums post, to the start of the Brown interview.

The more I read the information the nastier Brown's book and intentions become. It seems that even if Brown is shot down in 'flames' he will have done the damage certain parties are looking to inflict.

Pamela Jones (Groklaw) believes this is all a lead-in to a future attack by 'Microsoft' on software copyright laws, designed to limit freedom to publish open source.

This is looking a bit bad at the moment.

Doug Marker


EXTRACT from Tanenbaum re start of being interviewed by Brown ...
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He was extremely evasive about why he was there and who was funding him. He just kept saying he was just writing a book about the history of UNIX. I asked him what he thought of Peter Salus' book, A Quarter Century of UNIX. He'd never heard of it! I mean, if you are writing a book on the history of UNIX and flying 3000 miles to interview some guy about the subject, wouldn't it make sense to at least go to amazon.com and type "history unix" in the search box, in which case Salus' book is the first hit? For $28 (and free shipping if you play your cards right) you could learn an awful lot about the material and not get any jet lag. As I soon learned, Brown is not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I was already suspicious. As a long-time author, I know it makes sense to at least be aware of what the competition is. He didn't bother.
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another EXTRACT from Groklaw's link of Saturday to Tanenbaum's web post ...
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Brown's Motivation

What prompted me to write this note today is an email I got yesterday. Actually, I got quite a few :-) , most of them thanking me for the historical material. One of yesterday's emails was from Linus, in response to an email from me apologizing for not letting him see my statement in advance. As a matter of courtesy, I did try but I was using his old transmeta.com address and didn't know his new one until I got a very kind email from Linus' father, a Finnish journalist.


In his email, Linus said that Brown never contacted him. No email, no phone call, no personal interview. Nothing. Considering the fact that Brown was writing an explosive book in which he accused Linus of not being the author of Linux, you would think a serious author would at least confront the subject with the accusation and give him a chance to respond. What kind of a reporter talks to people on the periphery of the subject but fails to talk to the main player?


Why did Brown fly all the way to Europe to interview me and (and according to an email I got from his seat-mate on the plane) one other person in Scandinavia, at considerable expense, and not at least call Linus? Even if he made a really bad choice of phone company, how much could that cost? Maybe a dollar? I call the U.S. all the time from Amsterdam. It is less than 5 cents a minute. How much could it cost to call California from D.C.?


From reading all the comments posted yesterday, I am now beginning to get the picture. Apparently a lot of people (still) think that I 'hate' Linus for stealing all my glory (see below for more on this). I didn't realize this view was so widespread. I now suspect that Brown believed this, too, and thought that I would be happy to dump all over Linus to get 'revenge.' By flying to Amsterdam he thought he could dig up dirt on Linus and get me to speak evil of him. He thought I would back up his crazy claim that Linus stole Linux from me. Brown was wrong on two counts. First, I bear no 'grudge' against Linus at all. He wrote Linux himself and deserves the credit. Second, I am really not a mean person. Even if I were still angry with him after all these years, I wouldn't choose some sleazy author with a hidden agenda as my vehicle. My home page gets 2500 hits a week. If I had something to say, I could put it there.


When The Brown Book comes out, there will no doubt be a lot of publicity in the mainstream media. Any of you with contacts in the media are actively encouraged to point reporters to this page and my original statement to provide some balance. I really think Brown's motivation should come under scrutiny. I don't believe for a nanosecond that Brown was trying to do a legitimate study of IP and open source or anything like that. I think he was trying to make the case the people funding him (which he refused to disclose to me despite my asking point blank) wanted to have made. Having an institution with an illustrious-sounding name make the case looks better than having an interested party make the case.
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So he stacks up as a slanderous, libelous, lying, coniving, corrupt, devious, pile of 'Brown' stuff, other than that, his dog thinks he is ok :-)

Doug M

The interviews that Brown did - go read em!!!

Cheers

Doug
(Groklaw links I provided)

Brown slanders Linus verbally to someone who then writes what Brown said.

At what point does the slander turn into libel.

I though libel only happens when the person writes something about someone else. If they speak it then someone else reports it it is still slander.

I think there is even more material at Groklaw put there a few hours ago. Also Brown did a lengthy interview with LinuxInsider where he repeats his claims in regard to Linux. There is extensive also misquoting of Tanenbaum and others.

Cheers - Doug

[link|http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20040523172344599|http://www.groklaw.n...20040523172344599]


In this particular example, PJ is quoting from an interview (IIRC) that Brown gave.

Also here is a news item on this 'Brown' topic. It accentuates the type of harm Brown & his ilk can do ...

[link|http://news.com.com/2102-7344_3-5216651.html?tag=st.util.print|http://news.com.com/...tag=st.util.print]

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Is Torvalds really the father of Linux?

By Stephen Shankland
Staff Writer, CNET News.com

It's hard to imagine that Linus Torvalds could have launched Linux without directly using earlier operating system work, according to a report that has become controversial even before its scheduled publication Thursday.
The 92-page report, from a 14-person Washington, D.C., think tank called the Alexis de Tocqueville Institution, suggests more Linux credit should go to Minix. A Unix clone, Minix was designed by Andrew Tanenbaum to help him teach operating systems and software at Vrije University in Amsterdam. Torvalds used Minix before he embarked on Linux development in 1991.

In an e-mail interview, Torvalds strongly disputed the study's conclusions. And Tanenbaum himself has harshly criticized the study.

A new report suggests more credit for creating the Linux operating system should go to Unix clone Minix, rather than to Linus Torvalds.
Bottom line:
The study comes not long after several others unflattering to Linux and in the midst of a legal attack on Linux by the SCO Group.
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This kind of controvesy no matter what the truth is, just isn't good.

Doug