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New The incident seems to have provoked a lot

of questioning. I hadn't seen anything more that the quoted press release but after you mentioning circulating theories I googled the topic.

I found one site with a lot of varying comments but in one, someone seems to have analysed the timer to produce a confused sequence of the event (see bottom)

[link|http://www.kathryncramer.com/wblog/archives/000562.html|http://www.kathryncr...hives/000562.html]

EXTRACT >>>>>
"I don't really want to harp on this incident, but I have been
studying this video because it is not as `horrific' as some
have
suggested. In fact it has a Hollywood feel to it. I have seen quite a
few people killed, and the video struck me as being phony from the
start. Only now has it become apparent to me why it seems so phony.
There was obviously several `takes' of the event. The entire
video is
a series of disjointed actions, spliced and cut in an editing process
that seeks to present it as a smooth capture in one take. But the
military cameraman forgot about the video timer display, which co-
incidentally is in military time.

The total running time of the video is five minutes thirty nine
seconds less eleven seconds of banner introductions. Nick Berg begins
his bio at 13:26:24 according to the video timer. It suddenly becomes
2:16:34 during the first sentence: "..Nick Berg, my fathers name
is
Michael, (time change 2:16:34) my mothers name is Susan\ufffd\ufffd.".
His
segment ends at 2:18:42. At 2:40:32 (presumably approx. 22 minutes
later) the Arabic speech begins and ends at 2:44:39 with him pulling
out a butchers knife from his breast and grabbing Berg by the hair in
a sideways motion and downwards. He stabs him at 2:44:12 (25 seconds
earlier; please explain?). The timer shows that the speech was fourminutes seven seconds long, although the actual running time of the
speech on the video is four minutes 15 seconds long. After
the `killer' (I put `killer' is inverted commas the
facts are not
clear here) grabs Berg by the hair he presumably (because the picture
suddenly gets fuzzy) cuts at his throat. The picture clarifies some
eleven hours later or 13 hours prior (who the hell is to know?) at
13:45:46 with the killer laboriously sawing through Berg's neck.
The
segment ends some fifty-four seconds later at 13:47:52 (two minutes
six seconds later) which suddenly becomes 2:46:18 with a
different `killer' holding up the severed head.

I have thought long and hard about this discrepency in the times, and
can only conclude that either:

Two cameras were involved in the recording of the beheading and the
combined result edited for a `smooth' depiction of the
atrocity, but
the camera angle remains unchanged during the time changes.

The event was stage managed with many `takes' and practiceruns. It
would also explain the `turning of two pages of double sided
notes
seven times'.

Is there somebody out there that is familiar with the type of video
camera used, and who perhaps has professional experience in this
regard?"

I can add that I do not trust racists, religion regardless. Bush is a "born-again" Christian and he killed a lot of people - more than Bin Laden, at least. Sharon ("my" primer) is a mass murderer, and he is not a Muslim (he is secular, but religious settlers are his true masters)
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New There's a K5 story on it.
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/5/15/22827/0477|Nick Berg's Killing: 50 Fishy Circumstances, Flawed Timeline Events, and Videotape Anomalies]. It's in the edit queue at the moment - you'll need an account to see it there. Once it's out of edit and moderation, you will be able to read it without being logged in (assuming it makes it out of the queue).

I haven't looked at the story - it's just a FYI.

[edit - the story's in the edit queue at the moment.]

Cheers,
Scott.
Expand Edited by Another Scott May 15, 2004, 09:31:01 PM EDT
New It's gone to voting.
You should all have K5 accounts by now!

Second best website in the universe!

I'm not biased, oh no, not me.


Peter
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New Sounds very democratic
I have a K5 account & went looking but am not sure where to look. I found several items on the Berg video that were very close in theme to the points covered.

I have no real notion as to if the video was real or staged, it just struck me as having glaring inconsistencies & I now see that many other people picked up on the same plus a lot more aspects.

Doug M

#2
- Just discovered I don't have an account (I thought I was logging in but it now seems not. To complicate matters they say that due to recent abuse they have stopped accepting new members. I guess I will have to wait this one out.

Expand Edited by dmarker May 16, 2004, 04:28:47 AM EDT
New The new account thing is in hand
Basically I send a weekly (or so) email to rusty saying "open the account signups already".

There's a discussion taking place amongst the staff about how to approach this. We've had some problems.


Peter
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New What does 'gone to voting' mean

is this a place where members 1st debate then vote on submitted material which when approved goes up for public viewing ?

Tks - Doug
New That's about the size of it.


Peter
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New The voting obviously over - story now readable

For me, it seems that my little list of discrepancies is tiny.

Some additional material K5 item brings up ...

Seeing Berg in an orange jumpsuit seemed odd but I missed the point that it was standard US prison issue & WTF was Berg as a captive of al-Qaeda militants, doing in it.

K5 item seems to accept without doubt that Berg is dead (I had not concluded that other than to wonder how his body was identified - no head, perhaps fingerprints - maybe they had them on file from his earlier US incarceration). Implication from K5 being that perhaps he died in US custody while being being 'interrogated' at Abu Ghaib prison & that the video was a way of covering this up whilst taking heat of the administration ?

K5 also mention the matter of the chair. I am now inclined to wonder about this coincidence (same model & colour as the one appearing in other Abu Ghaib photos ??? - sure al-Qaeda terorists might shop at the same supermarket in Bhagdad WTF ???).

Thanks for pointing me to the article. It doesn't end the issue, just reinforces the need to question the stuff we get dished up.

Doug Marker

PS in today's news I see that Colin Powell is asking why more Arabs haven't reacted to the murder of Berg ----- poor man (Powell that is).
     Don't know about US news, but be prepared for Berg mystery - (dmarker) - (16)
         Another dumb thing was his US passport. - (a6l6e6x) - (13)
             The gold ring. - (Silverlock) - (12)
                 Here is a 'what if' scenario ... - (dmarker) - (11)
                     Doesn't appear to be much substance in the "links" - (Another Scott)
                     Tin hat scenarios - (JayMehaffey) - (8)
                         The incident seems to have provoked a lot - (dmarker) - (7)
                             There's a K5 story on it. - (Another Scott) - (6)
                                 It's gone to voting. - (pwhysall) - (4)
                                     Sounds very democratic - (dmarker) - (3)
                                         The new account thing is in hand - (pwhysall) - (2)
                                             What does 'gone to voting' mean - (dmarker) - (1)
                                                 That's about the size of it. -NT - (pwhysall)
                                 The voting obviously over - story now readable - (dmarker)
                     Re: Here is a 'what if' scenario ... - (jb4)
         Remember your theories about Bali bombing organized - (Arkadiy) - (1)
             Did you read my preamble at all ??? - (dmarker)

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