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Norms "permintations" are undoubtably "permutations". They require understanding how to calculate factorial, and knowing when to do it. Again, this is something that you want to do by hand because you need to understand the process.

Also the quote, "There are lies, damned lies, and statistics" is not due to Mark Twain. It is due to Disraeli. (Twain said it, but credited it properly.)

Cheers,
Ben
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New A little help here
a web page or book that describes how to do these things by hand would be helpful. Apparently I am not going to learn how to do statistics by hand at college.

Quote of the day I got the quote from did not credit Disraeli, I may have added two too many "there are" references. I'll take your word for it that Disraeli said it first.



"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"

New Any introductory statistics book should explain permutations
Of course you have to read it to do any good.

The number of permutations of a set is the number of ways to order it. If the set has n elements, this is n*(n-1)*...*1 which is usually known as n! (! is pronounced, "factorial").

This comes up a lot in elementary statistics. For instance how many subsets of size m are there in a set of size n? Well if we specify a procedure with an equal chance of picking any subset, the answer is the number of ways we can pick a subset, divided by the number of ways that we could pick any particular subset. Our procedure is, "Put them in order, take the first m." There are n! ways of putting them in order. The number of different ways we could pick any particular subset is the number of ways that we could have ordered the ones we picked times the number of ways that we could have ordered the ones we didn't pick. Which is m!*(n-m)!.

The answer, therefore, is n!/(m!*(n-m)!).

Applications of permutations and factorial quickly get more complicated from there. An introductory statistics book should go through the simple ones.

BTW you do know that you can ask the professor questions. If, as you claim, everyone is lost, then ask in front of everyone and you'll do everyone some good. If you suspect that most people get it, then ask the professor in office hours.

I'm not a free tutoring service, don't expect detailed assistance.

Regards,
Ben
To deny the indirect purchaser, who in this case is the ultimate purchaser, the right to seek relief from unlawful conduct, would essentially remove the word consumer from the Consumer Protection Act
- [link|http://www.techworld.com/opsys/news/index.cfm?NewsID=1246&Page=1&pagePos=20|Nebraska Supreme Court]
New Factorials
I know what one is, I used to write functions to create them.

1! = 1.
2! = 2 * 1 = 2.
3! = 3 * 2 * 1 = 6.
4! = 4 * 3 * 2 * 1 = 24.

Let me know if I got that right.

I lost my statitics book some time ago and it has been 15 years since I read it.

All I asked for was a web site or book to be reconmended, not a free tutoring service. I do not wish to have your services for tutoring, free or otherwise.

It looks like our class so far is not covering the intro to statistics, and yes I will be asking questions. Everyone else I talked to are struggling with the test as well, so it would benefit them all if I asked the questions in class.



"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"

New I should HOPE you got that right
After all I just told you what they were and how to calculate them.

As for a book, what part of, "any introductory Statistics book," do you fail to comprehend? I haven't needed an introductory book for a decade myself, and I have no idea what the current offerings are. But they should all cover this.

If you're worried, ask your professor for a recommendation. After all that is what he is THERE for.

In the meantime, take your fucking whining elsewhere.

Thank you,
Ben
To deny the indirect purchaser, who in this case is the ultimate purchaser, the right to seek relief from unlawful conduct, would essentially remove the word consumer from the Consumer Protection Act
- [link|http://www.techworld.com/opsys/news/index.cfm?NewsID=1246&Page=1&pagePos=20|Nebraska Supreme Court]
New I am just asking questions to learn more.
Why don't you just throw an anchor to a drowning man? That seems to be most of what you've ever done, you and a few of the others. You see someone struggling, so you mock them, pretend to help them, and then bash the hell out of them.



"What's the use of saving life when you see what you do with it?" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"

New Norm, stuff it.
I've met Ben in person. He comes across as a nice guy, and would be quite willing to help somebody.

That is, somebody who hasn't repeatedly shown themselves to be manipulative, abusive, and otherwise somebody who has shown themselves over and over again to be unwilling to take REAL responsibility for their own actions.

I have my own demons to deal with. I've been dealing with them, without spamming crap all over IWETHEY.

Unlike you.
Nobody wins in a butter eating contest
New I would have reacted differently
had he used a different posting tone and moved the post outside of the flame forum.

I am taking responsibility for my actions, I am asking for help, buying books, searching web sites, talking to classmates, whatever it takes to get me to the next level. I am using the resources at hand to try and solve a major problem. One of those resources happens to be IWETHEY. I did get a book suggestion, one that I already had ordered.

If I did not take responsibility for my actions, I would just simpy quit the class and complain that it was too hard.

Funny how people always bring up the past, think that pointing out someone else's flaws and mistakes makes them better than the one who made the mistakes and has the flaws. Yet when that person person who has the flaws and made the mistakes tries to change or do something to improve himself, he gets mocked, put down, made fun of. What Hypocrites! Apparently some in this group have no idea what forgiveness or compassion means.

You deal with your demons your way, I happen to talk about them so I can deal with them. Just a different style is all. I had a friend who dealt with his demons and did not talk about them, he ended up killing himself, had he told someone he might have been saved. So lesson learned there for me, else I end up six feet under.




"What's the use of saving life when you see what you do with it?" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"

New Blah blah.
Translation: blah blah blah I can't be arsed to think blah blah random personal shite that no-one on ZIWT needs to know blah blah it's the college's fault blah blah appeal to sense of compassion that I don't fucking have blah blah pity me blah blah.


Peter
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New Can't contribute positively can you?
Always focusing on the negative side of things. Reading my posts with a negative filter. Tells me why you cannot get along with people in society.



"What's the use of saving life when you see what you do with it?" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"

New WTF?
I get along just fine, arsehole.


Peter
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New Prove it
post something positive about me in the flame-off forum. If not, then go back to your hole!



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New You said society
so why the fuck does he need to post something nice about >you<.

This is the kind of content free shit he was complaining about in the first place.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition

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New I am a member of society
am I not? I just wanted to see if he had the potential to post something nice about someone rather than go off on them all the time.

I wanted to see a side of Peter that he seldom shows in these forums. Or at least verify that he has the ability to do so. So yes there was content in my fucking post, even if you missed it.



"What's the use of saving life when you see what you do with it?" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"

New Oh please do fuck off, there's a good chap.


Peter
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New I love you, man.
New Make me!



"What's the use of saving life when you see what you do with it?" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"

New MOM... Peter is being mean again!
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New Leave my mother out of this pukeboy!
Least you tempt me to make more senseless posts! ;)



"What's the use of saving life when you see what you do with it?" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"

New OK. (new thread)
Created as new thread #156304 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=156304|OK.]


Peter
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New My educational situation

As for a book, what part of, "any introductory Statistics book," do you fail to comprehend? I haven't needed an introductory book for a decade myself, and I have no idea what the current offerings are. But they should all cover this.

If you're worried, ask your professor for a recommendation. After all that is what he is THERE for.


Gee, lots of them out there, I think I will put the names of them on a dartboard and throw darts at them, it would be more helpful than you've been to me on picking out a good book.

I have asked my instructor in email, and SHE, has been ignoring my questions. I even asked for a Syllabus, which is part of her job to give me one, and she refused to give me one. That was the only response I got. I asked nicely, I asked politely, and I explained to her the problems I had with the test. So far, nothing else from her except she said she would not give me a Syllabus.

Edit: I did a search on Amazon.com, interesting that books that use statistics in their descriptions come up, but are not actually about statitistics. One book was available for $100USD and the rest where out of stock. Do a search on "Intro to Statistics" and see what pops up. I'd use my college bookstore, but they outsourced it to a web company that sent me the wrong book, and ripped me off of $60USD and refused to refund my money. The college says they are looking into it for the past 3 months or so, but keep making excuses as to why I cannot get a refund or exchange.



"What's the use of saving life when you see what you do with it?" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"

Expand Edited by orion April 14, 2004, 08:01:32 PM EDT
New Thirty seconds on Barnes and Noble
gives me this: [link|http://btobsearch.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?isbn=0071350055&itm=2|Statistics for the Utterly Confused].

Looks like a good introductory statistics book. And it's only about $17.

So go grab it. Even if it doesn't up being the best book ever, at least you can be satisfied with the fact that you actually took some action to remedy the trouble you're facing.
The college says they are looking into it for the past 3 months or so, but keep making excuses as to why I cannot get a refund or exchange.

It's awfully annoying when people just keep making excuses without actually taking any action, isn't it...
John. Busy lad.
New I took action
did a random search at Amazon.com and got both "Statistics for Dummies" and "Statistics for the Utterly Confused". Cheaper than BN.com offered them too. The "dart board" worked this time. :)

Thanks for the suggestion, at least it was some help.



"What's the use of saving life when you see what you do with it?" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"

     Sheesh - How fucking stupid ARE you, Norm?!? - (CRConrad) - (36)
         2 additional comments - (ben_tilly) - (22)
             A little help here - (orion) - (21)
                 Any introductory statistics book should explain permutations - (ben_tilly) - (20)
                     Factorials - (orion) - (19)
                         I should HOPE you got that right - (ben_tilly) - (18)
                             I am just asking questions to learn more. - (orion) - (14)
                                 Norm, stuff it. - (inthane-chan) - (13)
                                     I would have reacted differently - (orion) - (12)
                                         Blah blah. - (pwhysall) - (11)
                                             Can't contribute positively can you? - (orion) - (10)
                                                 WTF? - (pwhysall) - (9)
                                                     Prove it - (orion) - (8)
                                                         You said society - (bepatient) - (6)
                                                             I am a member of society - (orion) - (5)
                                                                 Oh please do fuck off, there's a good chap. -NT - (pwhysall) - (4)
                                                                     I love you, man. -NT - (inthane-chan)
                                                                     Make me! -NT - (orion) - (2)
                                                                         MOM... Peter is being mean again! -NT - (folkert) - (1)
                                                                             Leave my mother out of this pukeboy! - (orion)
                                                         OK. (new thread) - (pwhysall)
                             My educational situation - (orion) - (2)
                                 Thirty seconds on Barnes and Noble - (Meerkat) - (1)
                                     I took action - (orion)
         Calculators? What calculators? - (Arkadiy) - (6)
             OT and OF (off forum) - (jb4)
             My prof did that one step further - (ben_tilly) - (4)
                 I remember doing finite-difference solution to diffusion eq - (Another Scott) - (3)
                     That's nothing - (FuManChu) - (2)
                         I do the same thing - (boxley) - (1)
                             Management Information And Storage System - (lincoln)
         Not stupid, just lacking education - (orion) - (4)
             Stupid, just like you. - (CRConrad) - (3)
                 Ah yeah, but you ignored the rest of my post - (orion) - (2)
                     That's because I don't give a shit. Noone does. So STFU, OK? -NT - (CRConrad) - (1)
                         That is where you are wrong and I can prove it - (orion)
         Looking for good research - (orion)

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