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New I think you know the answers...
Greg and Peter would recommend Debian. I'm having good luck with Xandros Deluxe v2 (which is Debian-based), but I'm a complete newbie and it may not be a good distribution for a guru such as yourself.

But you really should be able to update 7.1 to whatever form you need (maybe not easily as I'm sure RH would prefer that you upgrade to Fedora), so as you say it really shouldn't matter.

I'm glad you're getting it figured out. Good luck!

Cheers,
Scott.
New Where do I get a good bootstrap CD for debian then?
Seems like all the links are broken to the various disk images. Also, I'll have to burn the CD on my powerbook - don't think that'll be an issue, but you never know.



Java is a joke, only it's not funny.

     --Alan Lovejoy
Expand Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:19:45 AM EDT
New Re: Where do I get a good bootstrap CD for debian then?
[link|http://www.mirror.ac.uk/sites/ftp.fi.debian.org/debian-cd/3.0_r2/i386/|http://www.mirror.ac...n-cd/3.0_r2/i386/]

I'm assuming x86.

We'll help you all we can here, but READ THE INSTALLATION MANUAL. (It's FINE) :)


Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Blog]
New That looks like a complete set
I'll be downloading until x-mas with those. I want a minimal bootstrap cd for doing a netinst. I found this:

[link|http://archive.progeny.com/progeny/pgi|http://archive.progeny.com/progeny/pgi]

looking at the pgi-woody-i386.iso

I'm assuming I can get this, burn it onto a cd from my OS X box, pop it into the server's CD, reboot, and all will be nifty?



Java is a joke, only it's not funny.

     --Alan Lovejoy
Expand Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:22:48 AM EDT
New You only really need the first one.
But yes, the PGI thing is what you want.


Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Blog]
New debootstrap fails every time
Tried multiple mirrors including the default - no explanation is offered. Or, rather many expanations offered including, http proxy config (don't need one), mirror being updated, dirty CD, phase of moon wrong.

Trying the disk 1 from the archive peter sent me....




Java is a joke, only it's not funny.

     --Alan Lovejoy
Expand Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:24:25 AM EDT
New The new D-I (Debian Installer) rocks.
Beta 3 is out:

[link|http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/sid_d-i/|Pick you architecture for Sid]

[link|http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/sarge_d-i/|Pick you architecture for Sarge]

Freaking Spectacular. Works nearly on every machine I use. Including a sparc 10 I have, an Ultra Sparc I have installed it on. An Alpha 2100, an Alpha 1000, Only prblems I see isthe Alpha still cannot BOOT off the CD yet when the Drive is a SCSI drive.
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[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ iwethey

'In view of the fact that Microsoft is a condemned monopolist and on the other hand the internal messages and financial transactions of SCO look ever doubtful, Microsoft should be really anxious that to the own company something does not remain sticking from the Gestank of the SCO.' --Plagarized from [link|http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20040322133607169|GROKLAW]
New Well I just wasted half a day
on the PGI installer and the one Peter pointed me to.

Neither one actually installed anything - PGI errored out every time.
The other one claimed to be reinitializing the hard disk, installin stuff blah blah blah.
Then on reboot RH 7.1 boots up anyhow.

And what is this sid, sarge, potato, woody shit? How the FUCK am I supposed to know one from another? Put descriptive names and numbers on stuff fer cryin out loud. I want an OS, I don't want to join a cult with a secret handshake and code words.

I have no more time to waste on this crap.



Java is a joke, only it's not funny.

     --Alan Lovejoy
Expand Edited by tuberculosis March 28, 2004, 07:51:26 PM EST
Expand Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:24:33 AM EDT
New Okay.
Debian has basically 3 current branches

Stable == (Currently called Woody)Stable package list and versions. Sometimes people say Stable == Old. Really it means that Stable means just that Few changes barring Security or Major Data Loss bugs. Basically in Maintenance mode.

Testing == Next version of Stable (currently called Sarge), Supposed to always be in an installable state (not always the case) Package list can be very volatile. But can become very stable at other times. Currently this testing is is shooting for a frozen Around Middle of April. Also, testing has versions of the software some would condsider very good and recent.

Unstable == Unstable. Unstable as the packages are in a constant state of flux. On a a long 4 day weekend, Monday can have as many as as many as 500 packages updated. But, when you understand that something like Postgres in Debian is split into something like 11 packages, versus typically 2 for RedHat or SuSE or Mandrake. Unstable is where there is the latest and greatest software typically. I would also call this the branch for those who understand the Debian dpkg/dselect/apt systems.

Okay, so I lied, there is actually 4 branches.

Experimental == Major packaging changes, experimental versions of the package versions of things that would not build properly automatically, etc... basically pre-bleeding edge. This is not an "instabllable" branch. You have to include it along with piece from Sid or Sarge.

and On the Naming etc...

Potato == Debian version 2.2 No longer being Maintained Former Stable. DO NOT USE THIS ONE.

Woody == Debian version 3.0 Being Maintained as Stable

Sarge == Debian v3.1(or 4.0) or the Next Version of Stable still in a State of Flux

Sid == Debian Unstable (will always be too), unstable terms packages are unstable, rapid versioning not unstable as in crashing... alothough this is bound to happen with rapid versioning.

(____) == Experimental doesn;t have a named version.
--
[link|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net|greg],
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ iwethey

'In view of the fact that Microsoft is a condemned monopolist and on the other hand the internal messages and financial transactions of SCO look ever doubtful, Microsoft should be really anxious that to the own company something does not remain sticking from the Gestank of the SCO.' --Plagarized from [link|http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20040322133607169|GROKLAW]
New You don't care about sid/sarge/woody.
What you care about is the fact that the current version is 3.0r2.

Every piece of software ever has had code names for releases.


Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Blog]
New Welcome to the world of cutsie-poo Linux naming
Where only Peter knows all the magic incantations!

:-\ufffd
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT

New Cackle.
Mind you, I could have done with some cutesie-poo naming yesterday when it turned out that the reason that our app wouldn't start was because the SYSGEN parameters MIN_PQL_MBYTLM and MIN_PQL_DBYTLM were set inappropriately. Ah, VMS :-)

*hacks suitably huge values into MODPARAMS.DAT*
*Runs @SYS$UPDATE:AUTOGEN GETDATA REBOOT NOFEEDBACK*

There. Perfectly straightforward, innit?


Peter
[link|http://www.debian.org|Shill For Hire]
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
[link|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org|Blog]
New Sure, it's gibberish bordering on shrubbish...
but at least it gives one a clue as to what the fsck is going on. I mean, one (in this business, at least) should have some idea as to what the terms "AUTOGEN", "GETDATA", "REBOOT" and "NOFEEDBACK" might mean. But I still fail to see the connection betwen the word "potato" and anything having to do with computation in the 21st century!





(Except, of course, that it's spelled correctly....)



jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT

New They may rock for you, but both failed here.
I tried it on a rather old box my niece was going to throw out. 233 MHz Pentium, 64 MB Ram, 8 GB Maxtor disk. During the "Installing the Debian base system" phase:

No installable kernel found

No installable kernel was found in the defined APT Sources

The kernel default package is 'kernel-image-2.4.25-1.386'

You may try to continue though this rather strange error is probably fatal


Continuing restarts the "Installing the Debian base system" phase, i.e. puts you into an endless loop.

Since this is a network install, I was pleased to see that it figured out that the Tulip driver was needed for the NIC. That's an improvement over the Woody CD-ROM install.
Alex

Sacred cows make the best hamburger. --Mark Twain
New Tried Knoppix?
I haven't yet heard anyone say it didn't work for them, and installing it do disk is really easy.
===

Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
New No, not yet.
Alex

Sacred cows make the best hamburger. --Mark Twain
New Installing to disk with knoppix may leave your system a mess
To deny the indirect purchaser, who in this case is the ultimate purchaser, the right to seek relief from unlawful conduct, would essentially remove the word consumer from the Consumer Protection Act
- [link|http://www.techworld.com/opsys/news/index.cfm?NewsID=1246&Page=1&pagePos=20|Nebraska Supreme Court]
New True, but after several failed attempts other ways ...
===

Implicitly condoning stupidity since 2001.
     Got a Linux Box - RH 7.1 - (tuberculosis) - (36)
         apt-get install apache -NT - (Steve Lowe) - (23)
             bash: apt-get: command not found -NT - (tuberculosis) - (22)
                 You may want Synaptic (when you get time) - (Another Scott) - (21)
                     Their script doesn't work either - (tuberculosis) - (20)
                         Almost 3 years old.... - (Another Scott) - (19)
                             What do those in the know recommend? - (tuberculosis) - (18)
                                 I think you know the answers... - (Another Scott) - (17)
                                     Where do I get a good bootstrap CD for debian then? - (tuberculosis) - (16)
                                         Re: Where do I get a good bootstrap CD for debian then? - (pwhysall) - (15)
                                             That looks like a complete set - (tuberculosis) - (2)
                                                 You only really need the first one. - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                                     debootstrap fails every time - (tuberculosis)
                                             The new D-I (Debian Installer) rocks. - (folkert) - (11)
                                                 Well I just wasted half a day - (tuberculosis) - (5)
                                                     Okay. - (folkert)
                                                     You don't care about sid/sarge/woody. - (pwhysall)
                                                     Welcome to the world of cutsie-poo Linux naming - (jb4) - (2)
                                                         Cackle. - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                                             Sure, it's gibberish bordering on shrubbish... - (jb4)
                                                 They may rock for you, but both failed here. - (a6l6e6x) - (4)
                                                     Tried Knoppix? - (drewk) - (3)
                                                         No, not yet. -NT - (a6l6e6x)
                                                         Installing to disk with knoppix may leave your system a mess -NT - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                                                             True, but after several failed attempts other ways ... -NT - (drewk)
         Help! Trying to setup twiki - endless 403 errors - (tuberculosis) - (3)
             ls -ld home/httpd ls -ld /home -NT - (boxley)
             Found it - when in doubt, su - nobody - (tuberculosis)
             Here is basically what we have for twiki - (folkert)
         Definitely gotta upgrade I think - (tuberculosis) - (2)
             Oracle 9i on Debian Sid and Woody - (Another Scott)
             if you want Oracle on Debian... (new thread) - (pwhysall)
         Drove 60 miles - see message on screen why it didn't reboot - (tuberculosis) - (4)
             Isn't that in the BIOS? -NT - (altmann) - (2)
                 I have no idea - (tuberculosis)
                 It is in BIOS. - (inthane-chan)
             The trick that you want... - (ben_tilly)

*gloat*
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