Sorry, I keep responding piecemeal.

Post #146,320 by cwbrenn 3/15/04 5:27:34 PM Reply	Sorry, I keep responding piecemeal. I'm sort of checking the forum while I do other stuff... apologies. "3) Prominent and thoughtful Jews are frightened by it. That's enough for me." Why should it be? Judaism and Christianity are not the same religion -- they have much in common, but there is one "minor detail" that they simply will not see eye to eye on... that detail of course being Jesus, who He was in relation to God. Of course they are not going to like it. It says something they don't agree with ! There were plenty of "prominent and thoughtful" Christians who were bothered by the Last Temptation of Christ (it's true! Not just the rabid fundies!). Would that be any reason for the movie not to be made? No! The fact that someone doesn't agree with your take on an event should mean little to a filmmaker. The fact that someone who isn't your religion takes issue with the way you interpret the events of your own religion should mean even less, especially when their charges of racism are utterly unfounded and based in a basic nervousness about the entire dialog of Christ's death rather than what actually happens in the movie. A Jew is going to look at the movie and think "no, that's not what happened." A Christian will be more likely to look at the movie and think "yeah, I could see that as being close to what happened." A Jew will be (understandibly) nervous about any movie that portrays that specific part of the death of Christ because that specific part is often used by racists to justify racism. That doesn't mean it's there. "We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?" - Edward Young
Post #146,328 by deSitter 3/15/04 5:37:11 PM Reply	It's very simple The fact that so many Jews have been so recently dehumanized demands a degree of sensitivity. What has been the film's reception in Israel? -drl
Post #146,351 by cwbrenn 3/15/04 7:02:12 PM Reply	Sure... a degree of sensitivity, yes but not to the point where we soft-shoe on a critical issue of Christian doctrine. The main objection I've seen is that Gibson's movie portrays the Jews who plot to kill Jesus in a negative light. Well, duh. THEY WERE PLOTTING TO KILL JESUS. "We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?" - Edward Young
Post #146,362 by boxley 3/15/04 7:11:58 PM Reply	No they were plotting to kill an upstart rabbi if he stayed were he was buried we wouldnt be having this conversation :-) think, without the betrayal. trial and execution, the christians wouldnt be to get to an execution G_d would have had to plan to turn the hearts of certain religious leaders bitter. As Ross pointed out Judas's actions so poisoned himself that he suicided out. Judas wasnt broke he didnt need the money. So why would he betray unless compelled to do so. It all points to a large heavenly intercession to get the job done In that Time, In that Place. Kinda shoots the free will thing all to heck dont it? A few random thoughts thanx, bill when I was young I envisioned myself as the embodiment of Trinity, Now I realize I have turned into the Bambino questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #146,366 by cwbrenn 3/15/04 7:14:27 PM Reply	Re: No they were plotting to kill an upstart rabbi Well, that's a far more complicated discussion best reserved for another thread. "We are all born originals -- why is it so many of us die copies?" - Edward Young

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