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New Are you defining a custom reality again?
Just because some aspects of a company (or person) are good doesn't mean that others can't be very bad (from your point of view).

I see no evidence that Skylarov was any sort of aberration for Adobe. Being nice is a strategic choice for them, which means that being not-nice is also a strategic choice.
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
Expand Edited by ben_tilly Feb. 20, 2004, 02:32:01 PM EST
New Re: Are you defining a custom reality again?
Have you ever bought an eBook from Adobe? Clearly this was one aspect of the company in some kind of sideline activity. And the case was prosecuted on behalf of the government, not Adobe:

[link|http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/US_v_Elcomsoft/us_v_elcomsoft_faq.html#ChargedWith|http://www.eff.org/I....html#ChargedWith]

Could it be that the government ran amok in a stupid misidentification of this issue as one of "furriners stealin' our 'Merkin sawftware"? At some point Adobe may have been told "stay out of it, this is bigger than you".

He was acquitted, and apparently the issue is decided.

Edit: Apparently Adobe wanted to drop the case five days after Skylarov was arrested. The government declined. The villians are where they always are - in charge.

Dmitry Sklyarov was arrested in Las Vegas on July 16, 2001, and charged with trafficking in, and offering to the public, a software program that could circumvent technological protections on copyrighted material, under section 1201(b)(1)(A) of the U.S. Copyright Act, which was made law by the 1998 Digital Millennium Copyright Act (the DMCA). He was also charged with aiding and abetting his employer, Russian software development company, Elcom Ltd (a.k.a. ElcomSoft Co. Ltd), to do that. Dmitry was held in jail until August 6, 2001, when he was released on bail of $50,000, on condition that he remained in Northern California.
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After EFF met with Adobe representatives on 20 July, Adobe joined with the EFF in recommending the release of Dmitry from federal custody, and withdrew its support for the criminal complaint against him. [Joint Press Release].

Clearly the government ran amok because they don't understand software or information technology. What else is new?
-drl
Expand Edited by deSitter Feb. 20, 2004, 03:12:30 PM EST
New I remember the history there
Adobe requested the lawsuit and was originally involved. Then they got picketed to hell, and after a month of pressure, they took their name off of the lawsuit.

The government continued prosecuting the case. Whether or not this was at Adobe's private request is an open question. Publically Adobe requested that the lawsuit be dropped.

Lemme google for some links.

[link|http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/US_v_Elcomsoft/us_v_elcomsoft_faq.html|http://www.eff.org/I...lcomsoft_faq.html]
[link|http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/US_v_Elcomsoft/20010707_complaint.html|http://www.eff.org/I...07_complaint.html]
[link|http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/US_v_Elcomsoft/20010723_eff_adobe_sklyarov_pr.html|http://www.eff.org/I..._sklyarov_pr.html]

In my books, Adobe does not get a free ride for having dropped out of the case that they requested be brought. If they establish a pattern of "good behaviour", then my opinion of them will change, but until I've been convinced that they are now against the DMCA etc, they remain grey at best in my books. Sometimes my interests align with theirs (they have no reason to like the dominance of Microsoft), and sometimes now (see comments about the DMCA).

Of course I doubt that they care much what I think. (Except in so far as I find myself in a position to recommend or not recommend their software.)

Cheers,
Ben
"good ideas and bad code build communities, the other three combinations do not"
- [link|http://archives.real-time.com/pipermail/cocoon-devel/2000-October/003023.html|Stefano Mazzocchi]
     Looked at the windows source? - (Steve Lowe) - (30)
         My eyes - they BURN! - (tuberculosis) - (29)
             comments - (cforde)
             I'm still hoping some brave hero goes after it with grep... - (inthane-chan) - (27)
                 Agree about grep, and some observations - (rickw) - (26)
                     Clean room implementation - (ChrisR) - (1)
                         I should clarify that point - (rickw)
                     Xpdf Trivia - (altmann) - (23)
                         Re: Xpdf Trivia - (rickw) - (22)
                             If I were to roll my own - (tuberculosis) - (21)
                                 I've certainly learned a few things about pdf's - (rickw) - (20)
                                     PDF is free - (ChrisR) - (19)
                                         Any recommendations (following in your steps)? - (FuManChu) - (2)
                                             Always the tortorous route - (ChrisR) - (1)
                                                 Thanks! It may be a while on returning the favor... ;) -NT - (FuManChu)
                                         Re: PDF is free - (deSitter) - (11)
                                             Adobe NOT nice. Sklyarov ring a bell? -NT - (Steve Lowe) - (9)
                                                 Re: Adobe NOT nice. Sklyarov ring a bell? - (deSitter) - (8)
                                                     Are you defining a custom reality again? - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                                                         Re: Are you defining a custom reality again? - (deSitter) - (1)
                                                             I remember the history there - (ben_tilly)
                                                     On Adobe support. - (inthane-chan) - (4)
                                                         Re: On Adobe support. - (deSitter)
                                                         What a coinkydink - (rickw) - (2)
                                                             Re: What a coinkydink - (deSitter) - (1)
                                                                 Noted. I did notice that the fonts aren't as pretty. -NT - (rickw)
                                             ps is not free - (tuberculosis)
                                         Have you checked out openoffice for pdf's? - (rickw) - (3)
                                             My requirements are on the server side - (ChrisR) - (2)
                                                 More curiosity: what language? -NT - (rickw) - (1)
                                                     Any scripting language will do - (ChrisR)

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