I suggested Java controls over ActiveX ones when they wanted clients to access their Intranet apps and the client had MacOS with Netscape or Windows 95 (NoIE) and Netscape. Every web app I developed, my manager would ask me if I put Java into it and if so please remove it. *Sigh* I mention Java one time to solve a problem and I get branded for life. No I did not sneak Java into my web apps, I used ActiveX instead as the manager wanted.