Post #133,361
1/3/04 3:48:15 AM
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What's tying the missus to Windows?
SuSE Linux is great. 9's out. Go get the 22MB net install ISO, install it, then install apt4rpm and be happy.
Peter
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Post #133,386
1/3/04 12:06:42 PM
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Re: What's tying the missus to Windows?
She barely knows how to use Windows, Linux would be a whole different topic to teach her. It has a higher learning curve. She is a Nurse and doesn't use a computer at all at her work.
"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"
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Post #133,391
1/3/04 12:58:29 PM
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Does it?
I haven't seen that client apps - games, office tools, Internet browsing, etc are any harder for Linux than Windows. Maybe admin tasks might be hard for someone to absorb - but once set up, how many of those would she deal with anyway? That'd be YOUR headache, no? *chuckle*
Set up the box to dual-boot, but give her an account - ask her to use Linux when she can, rather than rebooting (for things like browsing, mail, etc.)
Who knows - she may grow to like it better!
Imric's Tips for Living
- Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
- Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
- Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.
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Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
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Post #133,421
1/3/04 7:49:44 PM
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Last time I tried a dual-boot
I hosed up the hard drive partition. All or nothing. :)
"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"
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Post #133,452
1/3/04 11:55:53 PM
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Guff.
Why does Linux have a "higher learning curve" (whatever THAT means) than Windows?
Peter
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Post #133,456
1/4/04 12:12:03 AM
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Answer: it doesn't.
For users... people who just use Netscape or Word or what-have-you, there is *no* difference whatsoever between Linux and Windows. They can't set up either one, and clicking an icon on one OS is the same as another.
My wife (completely computer illiterate [well, not completely, but close enough]) and son use Linux for web browsing, email, and text processing. Daily. With next to no training.
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #133,460
1/4/04 12:25:06 AM
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Re: Answer: it doesn't.
The only nit I would make is that printing is still a needlessly complex bitch.
-drl
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Post #133,465
1/4/04 12:41:36 AM
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Somewhat. It's gotten much better.
aptitude install cupsys cupsys-client cupsys-driver-gimpprint
Next hit localhost:631 with a browser, and do 'add printer'. Works like a charm if it's an lpd printer; somewhat more screwing around (need to install Samba) if it's an NT printer. Sometimes you have to play around with the drivers to get one that works with your printer if it's newer hardware; I had to use the BJC8000 driver for my Canon i560. My Canon is run through my [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=121129|D-Link print server], which presents as an lpd server. I found the setup to be easier in some respects under Linux because Windows requires a special D-Link driver to make the connection for some reason.
I have yet to test printing through Crossover Office. I'll be doing that Real Soon Now, though. There are a few nice photo printing apps I want to run on Linux, and Xover Office looks like it might be the way to go.
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #133,468
1/4/04 12:44:35 AM
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Re: Somewhat. It's gotten much better.
I had to repeatedly tweak the cups-gimpprint settings on the Lexmark Z53 driver for density, contrast, and gamma, and it's still butt-slow. Yes, the "get it going" part is easier, but until vendors start distributing binary drivers that match the printer capabilities, printing will lag behind.
-drl
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Post #133,469
1/4/04 12:47:33 AM
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Again, it depends.
Check Google to see if there are updated drivers. The first driver I picked for my Canon was butt slow, but when I found the right one, it started printing just as quickly as (if not faster than) Windows.
Speaking of binary drivers: [link|http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Lexmark-Z53|http://www.linuxprin...ecnum=Lexmark-Z53]
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #133,553
1/4/04 6:01:23 PM
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And... you need not use...
Gimp-Print...
You can use Foomatic and other Printing libraries too.
Things are starting to just work with printing as well.
I have all machines printing to my CUPS printer.
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Post #133,587
1/4/04 9:29:12 PM
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It does
if the GUI doesn't load and sticks her in a CLI prompt.
If she wants to install something and I have to introduce her to chmod to mark the file downloaded as executable.
If she installs something and the RPM library messes up, or the app needs an older library to work and refuses to work with the newer library that is installed.
If she installs a new app, and cannot find the icon to launch it because it is a missing feature of the OS.
If she needs to install something, and has to compile it, and encounters an error compiling it. I have to teach her how to use the compiler, edit source code and make files, etc.
"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"
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Post #133,623
1/5/04 3:00:02 AM
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Re: It does
if the GUI doesn't load and sticks her in a CLI prompt. What about if WXP bluescreens? If she wants to install something and I have to introduce her to chmod to mark the file downloaded as executable. Why would this complete novice be installing ANYTHING? Aren't you available? If she installs something and the RPM library messes up, or the app needs an older library to work and refuses to work with the newer library that is installed. See answer above. If she installs a new app, and cannot find the icon to launch it because it is a missing feature of the OS. See answer above. And WTF? If she needs to install something, and has to compile it, and encounters an error compiling it. I have to teach her how to use the compiler, edit source code and make files, etc. See answer above. What the HELL? You're looking for excuses again, and finding them. "Won't install Linux because the missus can't operate a compiler" indeed. How very 1996. It was true then. It isn't true now.
Peter
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Post #133,624
1/5/04 3:19:23 AM
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rofl
LRPD "How very 1996"
Mornin' Pete, right on time. How's the coffee?
Norm is perhaps the ultimate pessimist. Any offered solution or idea instantly generates 1000 "can't" in his mind. It's an extraordinary level of creativity.
"Breathe Norm!"
"I can't - I don't trust the air, it might burst my lungs, pollution, etc."
"But Norm, you'll die if you don't breathe..."
"I know, but I can't. There might be poisonous gnomes hiding behind the furniture and I can't take that chance."
"But Norm, what difference does it make if you're poisoned by foul smelling gnomes vs. not breathing at all?"
"Well as long as I don't breathe, there's always a chance that I won't need oxygen."
"Norm, I checked behind the furniture and there are no gnomes. You can breathe now."
"Well, I'd better not, someone else with respiratory problems may burst through the front door and need all the oxygen they can get..."
"Norm, I locked the door on my way in..."
"Well, what if there is radioactive dust coming up from the basement?"
"Norm, I have a Geiger counter where my spleen used to be - and you're looking sort of cyanotic..."
"If I breathe, how do I know that I'll be able to take a full breath? I'd rather just get it over with, and besides, I'm not allowed to breathe before noon."
"Norm, it's 3 PM."
"But it's before noon in Hawaii!"
....
"NORM GODDAMN IT BREATHE!!"
"Well, maybe just once..."
"BREATHE!!!!"
"[gasp choke]"
"Now isnt' that better?"
"Well I suppose so, but what if..."
-drl
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Post #133,650
1/5/04 11:26:41 AM
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Funny, but...
How's he talking if he isn't breathing...?
;-)
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #133,654
1/5/04 11:42:03 AM
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Hear that clickety-clickety sound?
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Post #133,660
1/5/04 11:45:45 AM
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I thought that was Hook's crocodile. *bother*
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition
It goes in, it must come out.Teslacle's Deviant to Fudd's Law
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Post #133,663
1/5/04 12:06:31 PM
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While he's standing there in the same room?
Frog, meet dissection table.
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #134,428
1/8/04 11:29:15 PM
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Very funny
but if I believed that I'd buy an air tank and breathe from that. Then when it emptied switch air tanks. Or get a gask mask with a good filter.
"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"
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Post #134,454
1/9/04 3:27:27 AM
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Microsoft Air Tank XP?
Peter
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