And funny how you can find the time...

Post #130,513 by inthane-chan 12/12/03 6:48:36 PM Reply	And funny how you can find the time... ...to flame him for having a "hobby" outside of productive usefulness to bizness when half the time you are decrying the ursurpation of our spirit by the same forces... As one friend to another, lighten up. I have a blue sign on my door. It says "If this sign is red, you're moving too fast."
Post #130,517 by Nightowl 12/12/03 6:56:55 PM Reply	Ditto... I believe Norman is doing the best he can, he's come a long way from where he was last year... give the guy a break. Nightowl >8# "The difference between being immature and child-like is that one is what you are, and one is what you choose to be." Comment by Nightowl {O,O}
Post #130,520 by Ashton 12/12/03 7:12:51 PM Reply	Flame? Bah: / prod / reminder / life-ring / wake-up-call.. What Are Friends For? but to tell you what you need to hear and not what you want to hear? That's fucking compassion - nice-doggie is just.. more euphemistic BS, and a cop-out to boot. (Gosh, maybe it will work as well as the other (n-1) similar suggestions from many.) Oooh! Wait .. it's Flame Forum: Cool It asshole - I've given more than my share of Attaboys and practical what-ifs; don't need no stinkin PC-lectures on housebreakin cocker spaniels as keep peein on the carpet, long after Nice Doggie + head pat. He Can Do More - at least I have some faith in the sucker! Patronizing his sorry ass.. just leaves him to enjoy that warm feelin ya gets when ya piss yer pants. Then.. the wind blows and - -
Post #130,536 by Steve Lowe 12/13/03 12:14:41 AM Reply	Everyone needs a good swift kick in the ass sometimes Carry on. ----- Steve
Post #130,546 by Nightowl 12/13/03 1:42:16 AM Reply	And sometimes one kick too many... Can truly discourage a person. If I recall, this was started over Orion's comment that Paris Hilton was a whore. Well the word whore means more than selling your body for sex. It also means: a venal or unscrupulous person... and from the descriptions I've been reading, she seems to fit that bill. Nightowl >8# "The difference between being immature and child-like is that one is what you are, and one is what you choose to be." Comment by Nightowl {O,O}
Post #130,548 by pwhysall 12/13/03 1:56:05 AM Reply	Nah, she's not a whore. What Norm meant to say was "she's a slut, AKA a woman who's having sex with men other than me". Peter [link\|http://www.debian.org\|Shill For Hire] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Blog]
Post #130,578 by orion 12/13/03 3:21:41 PM 12/13/03 3:22:46 PM Reply	I wouldn't say that because I have no interest in having sex with her. I'd catch something for sure and wreck my marriage if I did. Plus it would be on videotape and all over the Internet to boot. Edit: typo in title. *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"* Edited by orion Dec. 13, 2003, 03:22:46 PM EST Expand All History
Post #130,577 by orion 12/13/03 3:19:10 PM Reply	Might I say that I was using a word that deSitter first used. It seemed like it fit her to me. I agreed with him. The definition: Pronunciation: 'hOr, 'hor, 'hur Function: noun Etymology: Middle English hore, from Old English hOre; akin to Old Norse hOra whore, hOrr adulterer, Latin carus dear -- more at CHARITY Date: before 12th century 1 : a woman who engages in sexual acts for money : PROSTITUTE; also : a promiscuous or immoral woman 2 : a male who engages in sexual acts for money 3 : a venal or unscrupulous person Look at the second part of #1, the "also" "a promiscuous or immoral woman". Her having sex with a ton of guys and video taping it surely classified her as a whore by that definition. KMFPH! *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*
Post #130,594 by Arkadiy 12/13/03 6:29:47 PM Reply	Many people find exactly that to be a problem with your post: you use the words that others already used in the discussion, or you say things already said, or things so obvious that they don't need saying. Next time you are about to post, ask yourself: must I say what I am about to say? Will the discussion be incomplete without it? I know that the number of stuff I post is halved by such considerations. -- "There's nothing more nervous than a million dollars. It does not speak French, it does not speak English, it does not speak German and it moves very fast." -- Jean Chretien
Post #130,605 by orion 12/13/03 7:02:28 PM Reply	Verbosity challenged In that case I had agreed with him and repeated what he had said. It should have been plain to anyone with an above average IQ that I was responding to a question. I see this as no different that quoting the message and replying "Yes" to it, all I did was paraphrase what he said and verified it. Notice how nobody bashes deSitter for calling PH a whore, just bash poor old Norm instead. Funny how people who can comprehend everything posted here can miss that? As for the obvious, it was not that obvious to me so I posted it to clarify it. I am not a mind-reader and cannot tell if something I posted was obvious to someone else. If it is not so obvious to me I'll post it. I did think that the discussion would be incomplete without it, because nobody else covered it. What was obvious was that deSitter didn't know who she was. *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*
Post #130,610 by deSitter 12/13/03 7:14:11 PM Reply	Re: Verbosity challenged I was clearly being sarcastic and making a general rant about the stupidity of the Internet, that requires me to put up with spam about sex tapes and longer dicks and what Asian hotties are doing with chopsticks and fishheads. I get sick of it. You took what I said seriously because your brain is so full of powerful psychoactive drugs that you can't think straight. There was a time when you were coherent, which has passed. -drl
Post #130,622 by orion 12/13/03 7:47:22 PM Reply	When? There was a time when you were coherent, which has passed. Tell me when so I can run Norton Ghost and recover my mind. :) *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*
Post #130,637 by deSitter 12/13/03 8:54:55 PM Reply	Re: When? Your mind is fine, it's your nervous system that is jacked. -drl
Post #130,652 by orion 12/13/03 10:07:59 PM Reply	Nervous system how can I fix that without taking medicine? I've had this problem before I was ever put on medicine. *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*
Post #130,657 by deSitter 12/13/03 10:16:56 PM Reply	Re: Nervous system This may sound trite, but part of it is just fixing your attitude. All I know is chemicals are bad for you. The amount of recreational drugs people consume are nothing compared to the massive doses of chemicals that they hit you with in psycharmacy. You have to rewire yourself by changing your attitude. -drl
Post #130,644 by deSitter 12/13/03 9:26:09 PM Reply	BTW I'm not suggusting you stop taking them without Dr. note - but I'd tell the doctor to get me off of drugs or find a better doctor. Not a shrink - a real doctor. -drl
Post #130,654 by orion 12/13/03 10:09:08 PM Reply	Only alternative they suggested was shock treatment. No way I am going to send electricity to my brain to try and reboot it. :) *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*
Post #130,656 by deSitter 12/13/03 10:14:28 PM Reply	Re: Only alternative they suggested Why not? They put you to sleep, doesn't hurt. You're maybe a little sore when you wake up. They must hit you with some good shit to relax you. There is every reason to believe shock treatment might be appropriate. As it is, your synapses are in continuous chemical shock. Also, I doubt they start out with a controversial jolt. Hey, other medical procedures are dangerous, but that's why they call it "sick". -drl
Post #130,701 by orion 12/14/03 11:05:53 AM Reply	WHat I don't like are the side effects of shock treatment, the memory loss, and personality change, and having to learn many things over again. I have a problem with my memory already, I don't need more memory loss. Also chances are I could die from the procedure. Plus once people find out about it, the "Sparky" nickname will stick to me forever. :) *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*
Post #130,705 by deSitter 12/14/03 11:25:41 AM 12/14/03 11:30:56 AM Reply	Re: WHat I don't like are the side effects The memory loss is very short term and more like having a hangover. As I already stated the doses are gradually applied, and the initial treatments are not dangerous. And changing your personality is the whole point, to be rid of self-defeating thoughts. ("Die" from shock treatment? Who told you that? It's not like they throw a toaster in the bathtub.) edit: [link\|http://www.medhelp.org/lib/ect.htm\|http://www.medhelp.org/lib/ect.htm] Also I found a whole website dedicated to you: [link\|http://www.stressoflife.com\|http://www.stressoflife.com] -drl Edited by deSitter Dec. 14, 2003, 11:30:56 AM EST Expand All History
Post #130,728 by orion 12/14/03 6:50:08 PM 12/14/03 6:54:18 PM Reply	ECT and me The way it was explained to me, my high blood pressure and high pulse rate and history of heart problems in my family puts me at risk. They wanted me to sign a waver not to hold the hospital accountable should I die from the ECT treatments. Several treatments a month, at a high price, for 6 months. Then if that doesn't work, 6 more months of treatment. Insurance said they would not cover it. I also talked to people who had ECT done years ago, and they were more disfunctional than I currently am. Ended up back into the hospital again for more mental illness treatments. Some could not even remember their children or what they did as a child. Stressoflife.com is not working. Got a better link? *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"* Edited by orion Dec. 14, 2003, 06:54:18 PM EST Expand All History
Post #130,732 by deSitter 12/14/03 7:13:34 PM Reply	Re: ECT and me Forget it Norm. Just be unforgettable you. You and that other thing, what a pair. Where's the crater, I'm jumping in - I live in a city where people have the intelligence and insight of cheese wheels. -drl
Post #130,757 by orion 12/14/03 9:52:09 PM Reply	Cheddar or Swiss? :) *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*
Post #130,766 by deSitter 12/14/03 10:01:36 PM Reply	Re: Cheddar or Swiss? :) OK, I don't know why I like you or bother, but.. ECT is not dangerous unless you have a direct, measurable heart ailment. They don't "shock" you to be shocking you - they induce a convulsion as a way of cleaning out the garbage that's clogging your nervous system. If you are at all normal there will be few effects on you - effects that clear up and presto, you've been rebooted and can reorganize your thought. -drl
Post #130,768 by boxley 12/14/03 10:06:35 PM Reply	http://ect.org/ having been hit with 220 from palm to barefeet in a puddle I can attest that the effects are deleterious but short lived. It does affect your personal magnetic field. I can effect tv broadcasts by standing close. After the shock for about a week that did not happen. It makes you feel like you are continously ready to faint and nauseous. Short term memory is affected but it does lower aggression tremendously. It takes about 6 weeks to renormalize which would not be of much use to Norm. thanx, bill stick a spork in it. questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #130,772 by deSitter 12/14/03 10:10:04 PM Reply	Re: http://ect.org/ I still think it's better for you than powerful drugs. Also I thought the applied current was DC. -drl
Post #130,777 by orion 12/14/03 10:17:54 PM Reply	Reasons not to get it [link\|http://www.healthyplace.com/Communities/Depression/ect/resources/surgeongeneral/rebuttal.asp\|http://www.healthypl...eral/rebuttal.asp] [link\|http://www.philadelphiaweekly.com/archives/article.asp?ArtID=1113\|http://www.philadelp...le.asp?ArtID=1113] [link\|http://www.electroboy.com/electroshocktherapy.htm\|http://www.electrobo...oshocktherapy.htm] [link\|http://www.contac.org/contaclibrary/media11.htm\|http://www.contac.or...brary/media11.htm] [link\|http://www.banshock.org/\|http://www.banshock.org/] [link\|http://www.psych.org/pnews/97-05-02/ect.html\|http://www.psych.org...97-05-02/ect.html] [link\|http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/low/health/295597.stm\|http://news.bbc.co.u...health/295597.stm] [link\|http://www.academicarmageddon.co.uk/library/frank.htm\|http://www.academica...library/frank.htm] [link\|http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/category/11123.html\|http://www.ama-assn....tegory/11123.html] *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*
Post #130,769 by orion 12/14/03 10:07:10 PM Reply	Rebooting my brain OK, I don't know why I like you or bother, but.. I could say the same about you, there are times when I wonder about you too. I do like you despite some things you say about me. ECT is not dangerous unless you have a direct, measurable heart ailment. They don't "shock" you to be shocking you - they induce a convulsion as a way of cleaning out the garbage that's clogging your nervous system. If you are at all normal there will be few effects on you - effects that clear up and presto, you've been rebooted and can reorganize your thought. While in the hospital a Reverand Sterling told me that it was against God to have such a thing done. He called it unnatural and torture. So on a religous basis I also have something against it. My wife is also against it and she is a nurse and knows the side-effects. *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*
Post #130,780 by Nightowl 12/14/03 10:27:48 PM 12/14/03 10:38:35 PM Reply	Re: Cheddar or Swiss? :) Neither!!! GOUDA!!!!!!! Yummmmmmy! Hey, at least me and Norman are cheeses. You, you're just Cheese Whiz. ;) Nightowl >8# Edit: added comment at bottom. "The difference between being immature and child-like is that one is what you are, and one is what you choose to be." Comment by Nightowl {O,O} Edited by Nightowl Dec. 14, 2003, 10:38:35 PM EST Expand All History
Post #130,710 by Nightowl 12/14/03 2:08:12 PM Reply	Re: WHat I don't like are the side effects Don't let anyone push or hassle you into a procedure you aren't okay about. You stick to what you are doing, keep plugging and keep doing what the doctor says and you'll keep on improving. The improvement I've seen in just barely a year is remarkable, so don't worry about what everyone else thinks. None of us are perfect, all of us make mistakes, do stupid screw ups and sometimes piss people off, but regardless, all of us are usually doing the best we can. Hang in there. Brenda Nightowl >8# "The difference between being immature and child-like is that one is what you are, and one is what you choose to be." Comment by Nightowl {O,O}
Post #130,784 by orion 12/15/03 1:45:48 AM Reply	I am doing my best the best a wheel of cheese can do anyway. :) *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*
Post #130,785 by Nightowl 12/15/03 1:53:54 AM Reply	I agree And so am I. :) At least we know to make like a wheel and roll with the punches, rather than sit like a squeeze bottle and spew! ;) Nightowl >8# "The difference between being immature and child-like is that one is what you are, and one is what you choose to be." Comment by Nightowl {O,O}
Post #130,891 by orion 12/15/03 5:41:46 PM Reply	Some times I am Cheddar and other times Swiss Sharp Cheddar that is, when my mind works somewhat better. Swiss when my mind has holes in it and doesn't do as good. "Behold the power of Cheese!" :) *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*
Post #130,924 by boxley 12/15/03 9:15:57 PM Reply	Motherfucking Morons! take this fucking drivel elsewhere! this is flame after all. polite comments do not belong here. thanx, bill stick a spork in it. questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #130,931 by Nightowl 12/15/03 10:24:12 PM Reply	Sorry, but Scott told us... To keep our battle with DeSitter in here. Take it up with him. Nightowl >8# "The difference between being immature and child-like is that one is what you are, and one is what you choose to be." Comment by Nightowl {O,O}
Post #130,932 by boxley 12/15/03 10:52:18 PM Reply	you are blowing orion and he is jigging you metaphorically in the last few threads. If you wan to have a side bar about each other do so. This area is specifically for insulting commentary ya daft bitch (get it now?) thanx, bill stick a spork in it. questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #130,937 by orion 12/15/03 11:56:39 PM Reply	It was insulting I was calling myself a wheel of cheese in reference to deSitter's posts. It was meant to be insulting to him and sarcastic. Maybe you just didn't get it? ECT can do that to you, or so I hear. :) *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*
Post #130,658 by Nightowl 12/13/03 10:20:09 PM Reply	Norman, you're doing fine You're following your doctor's advice, taking the medication that is helping you, and you don't need to consider any non-professional opinions unless you want to. I think you are improving, and that's what matters in the long run, is getting better, no matter how long it takes. Nightowl >8# "The difference between being immature and child-like is that one is what you are, and one is what you choose to be." Comment by Nightowl {O,O}
Post #130,617 by Arkadiy 12/13/03 7:33:38 PM Reply	"Quoting the message and responding 'Yes' to it" is acomplished much better by adding a no-body response with "Yes" as a title. And I am not saying that figuring out waht's obvious and what's not is easy. Still, it's worth a try. -- "There's nothing more nervous than a million dollars. It does not speak French, it does not speak English, it does not speak German and it moves very fast." -- Jean Chretien
Post #130,643 by Nightowl 12/13/03 9:21:33 PM Reply	Yep, same definition I found. Which was why I posted what I did. A lot of people don't know the full meanings of some oft-used words, so I pointed it out. :) Nightowl >8# "The difference between being immature and child-like is that one is what you are, and one is what you choose to be." Comment by Nightowl {O,O}
Post #130,729 by orion 12/14/03 6:57:27 PM Reply	Just to clarify I am taking Business Management courses, so when I graduate I most likely will have a Management job or start my own business and avoid the cubical farms. A change of careers, because IT is going down the tubes. I can collect disability while I go to college and live off of that. Then get a better job later and go off of disability. Learning modern management skills will give me the edge over classical managers. I will be more valuable to companies that constantly change and adapt to new things. *"Lady I only speak two languages, English and Bad English!" - Corbin Dallas "The Fifth Element"*

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