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New Steganography, porno & urban myth
Ross Anderson says it's all BS - in the Reg natch - won't see such in Murican press.

[link|http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/55/22102.html|Misquote by Times, Sun]
New hiding in plain sight
islamic militants have a known taste for porn, usually only available on the net. (proof all the meetings at strip clubs including the night before) zoom in on a blond nipple, keep zooming, count the hairs, devide by 7 and that is the algorithm for hustlers forum magazine for that month. Simply use your Mighty Mouse cutout that only shows the letters of the algoritm and check the incest stories to get your next instructions. EZ when you know how.
thanx,
bill
What is a user? You mean userid isnt the same as uid?, gid? whats that? I dont understand "ask the requestor to send a non formal email request for ftp access? whaddya mean dean?
Halp Iam drowning in Bovine Fecal Matter!!!!
Bill
New Choking on my iced tea
Boxley, now everyone knows it, you fiend!
Who knows how empty the sky is
In the place of a fallen tower.
Who knows how quiet it is in the home
Where a son has not returned.

-- Anna Akhmatova (1889-1966)
New Duh...

It is unclear what national interest is served by security agencies propagating this lurid urban myth.

Certainly it's clear. It's the standard propaganda, associate your enemy with evil and sin. Irregardless of whether or not it's true, people want to believe in the 'bad man'.
New Simpler and more reasonable than that
Proponents of invasive government have a laundry list of things they want us to accept. Even if a factor on that list had nothing to do with this incident, it makes perfect sense from their point of view to use the opportunity to get action on their list.

Therefore the question changes from, "What national security interest is served by having the public believe that Osama used encryption techniques he didn't use?" to, "Whose interests are served by getting action against encryption techniques?"

Now to us it may look stupid, but consider this. Suppose you work in the Secret Service. Suppose you have spent your life doing background checks, tracking crazies who might attack the President (he gets an average of something like one attempt per day), locking down areas to block more serious possible assassinations, etc. Now suppose that you run across an article named [link|http://www.infowar.com/class_1/BELL1.html-ssi|Assassination Politics]. (That is the short version. There is also a [link|http://zolatimes.com/v2.26/jimbell.htm|longer version] out there.)

How much harder would it make your job if that protocol materialized? After all if the people funding Osama etc could just anonymously add to the price on the President's head, wouldn't they?

If you can prevent encryption from becoming widely accepted, you can significantly reduce the likelyhood that this nightmare will become a viable political force to reckon with. Does spreading distaste and distrust of encryption then become a reasonable covert national policy?

Now I obviously don't know if the above is what is motivating the government. But I have seen the kind of precautions they take when the President is coming through. A lot of people are involved. There are a lot of groups in the government whose job is to come up with possible nightmare scenarios, and decide on appropriate responses. Whether it is for that or another reason (see Echelon), I have little problem believing that discouraging the wisespread adoption and acceptance of general cryptographic techniques is something that many dislike.

Cheers,
Ben
New Perhaps 'provable' that there is no solution (?)
Your link to another wannabe posse comitatus wielder of vast judgments, with a half-vast mind, reminds me that we cannot solve the quandary that -

We cannot make ideas safe for homo-sap minds.
At best 'we' can try to inculcate in growing minds enough humility that they won't sound like this flake, later on.

Still, the more available techno gadgetry - so is leveraged the effects of just one such sociopath. We are now permanently stuck on this path. (Perhaps honest Muslims and others - rue the fact that a less dangerous, more er peace-oriented mindset? cannot coexist in the techno- world, in any next.)



Pandora
New Flake? I think not.
I do think he is hopelessly naive about the uses said protocol would be put to.

But the protocol itself is solid. If you get widespread encryption and common use of digital cash, there will be organizations which will be willing to act as the middleman in allowing global politics to be destabilized through anonymous donations to anonymous predictors of bad things happening to important people.

Cheers,
Ben
New No argument re the techno- possibilities.
nor much opinion about the practicality of his, as you say - naive scheme. (Nor do I attribute to him the will? desire to use it.. Well, not automatically but -)

But isn't the general principle sufficient to point-at - millions of possibilities for sabotage of every complex system (incl. human interactions with same)? General principle?

The more complex, the simpler to destroy that which was built up with great effort over time. Entropy?

Note the physics of WTC (I figure you have already):

All that PE, added-to with erection of each floor. Took 7? YEARS overall. All the contents added their own gravitational store. Integrate successive KE-conversion. Actual collapse time: ~ 20 SECONDS.

Vishnu / Shiva
Build / Destroy

Behold ye mighty and despair..
Yep - we *ARE* a scary species <<<
One might even say, despicable
(but not in Tweety-bird's lithp)
New Interesting
[link|http://www.inet-one.com/cypherpunks/dir.2001.10.01-2001.10.07/msg00405.html|That].
--
Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?
New Possibly...
But I wasn't sure if the article was being generated strickly from governmental sources.

If the myth was coming from non-government sources, why perpetuate it? Well, now we're associating bin Laden with Porn and everyone knows that Porn is evil. <grin>

New Bad Man Is Alone
(anagram of Osama Bin Laden)
New One of 49,682
The wordplay program included with Debian returns almost 50,000 anagrams. The space available in 13 characters is large. Another option is that he's a business-minded astronomer: NASA Leonid MBA. Or that we can use sex in an assualt: NASA lob maiden. Needless to say, we know oil's involved: nab a sad oilman. But, is it possible that this is just a call for vegitarianism: bean salami nod. The ties to the power industry are raised again: am an Edison lab. How about that Phillipean connection: Manila sod base. Frankly, I think his portrayal as some evil ubermensh is misplaced: is a banal demon.

But I see a possible end in sight, at the bidding of the middle east itself: Oman bade: slain.
--
Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?
New Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle..
New Excellent, Karsten!
Alex

Whom the gods wish to destroy, they first make mad. -- Euripides
New Hey, I don't need no steenkin programs!
     Steganography, porno & urban myth - (Ashton) - (14)
         hiding in plain sight - (boxley) - (1)
             Choking on my iced tea - (wharris2)
         Duh... - (Simon_Jester) - (11)
             Simpler and more reasonable than that - (ben_tilly) - (5)
                 Perhaps 'provable' that there is no solution (?) - (Ashton) - (2)
                     Flake? I think not. - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                         No argument re the techno- possibilities. - (Ashton)
                 Interesting - (kmself)
                 Possibly... - (Simon_Jester)
             Bad Man Is Alone - (deSitter) - (4)
                 One of 49,682 - (kmself) - (3)
                     Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle.. Cackle.. -NT - (Ashton)
                     Excellent, Karsten! -NT - (a6l6e6x)
                     Hey, I don't need no steenkin programs! -NT - (deSitter)

There are some who call me... Tim.
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