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New Nah, that's not it.
I think there aren't gods. Hence, I lack belief in them. However, I don't state flat out that they don't exist. And I wouldn't worship them if they *did* exist.

Yes, the Bible and Koran have some nice words. They also have some very nasty ones - all the stuff about killing babies and raping virgins, stoning women to death for adultery, killing homosexuals, killing babies again, etc etc.

That's fightin' talk. You need a [link|http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty.html|link]. Not knowing the Koran nearly as well as I do the Bible, I cannot speak about it from person experience, so I won't. :-)

Now, I don't think it's right to accept all the fluffy bits of the bible without taking on board the vicious bits, too - after all, this stuff is supposed to be the Werd Of Gawd, right? (If I was YOUR god, and the bible was MY holy book, and you lot starting only reading and obeying the bits you liked, then I'd be in ass-kickin' mode and I'd dust off the old smitin' stick and come down and teach you what being a god is really all about.)

I know the moral objectivists have a habit of crawling out of the woodwork whenever an atheist dares to put his head above the parapet. Cleverer people than I have thunk long and hard about this, and there's a good [link|http://www.atheists.org/Atheism/ethics.html|essay] on the American Atheists [link|http://www.atheists.org|web site].


Peter
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New The Bible.
Now, I don't think it's right to accept all the fluffy bits of the bible without taking on board the vicious bits, too - after all, this stuff is supposed to be the Werd Of Gawd, right?


I guess that's fair enough. There's a lot of sorry and sordid human histroy recorded in it. I usually think that showing the failings of people like Jacob, Samson and King David in the Bible - and some of them were pretty horrific failings - help make it harder to literally worship them as godlings.

Putting aside the Bible for the moment, what you do think about the historical evidence for Jesus? I'm curious.

Wade.

"All around me are nothing but fakes
Come with me on the biggest fake of all!"

New Re: The violence in the OT
That was something that bothered me too. It was explained to me but I can't remember the meaning of the parable. I didn't realize how angry God could get when people violated the 10 commandments handed down to Moses.

Isn't there something in the New Testament that affected this condition?

Any help here would be appreciated.
     Atheism And The Burden Of Proof - (pwhysall) - (44)
         Personal experience. - (static) - (1)
             Sorta. - (pwhysall)
         Logic Chopping - (deSitter) - (6)
             Says *you*. - (pwhysall) - (1)
                 Indeed, sez I. God is personal. -NT - (deSitter)
             Why 9/12? - (wharris2) - (2)
                 Simple - (deSitter) - (1)
                     Don't forget - (rsf)
             Data Point - (pwhysall)
         It's been (un)done - (Ashton) - (9)
             Science can measure anything - (Brandioch) - (8)
                 Faith... - (inthane-chan) - (7)
                     "Take the red pill..." :-) -NT - (static) - (6)
                         You know, I'm really beginning to hate that movie. - (inthane-chan) - (5)
                             Sad but true. - (Brandioch)
                             I know what you mean. - (static) - (3)
                                 *SMACK!* - (inthane-chan) - (2)
                                     I didn't say I *agreed* with doing that! - (static) - (1)
                                         DeSmacking. - (inthane-chan)
         Not here to 'save" you what you are or believe is up to you - (boxley)
         I assert that pwhysall does not exist. - (marlowe) - (12)
             spent 10 hrs with a certified psycho doing the same thing - (boxley)
             The burden of proof lies where it always does - (pwhysall) - (10)
                 Just want to make sure I understand your POV - (tseliot) - (6)
                     Yep. - (pwhysall) - (5)
                         I think I see the confusion. Maybe? - (brettj) - (4)
                             Nothing here 'annoying' - (Ashton)
                             Nah, that's not it. - (pwhysall) - (2)
                                 The Bible. - (static)
                                 Re: The violence in the OT - (brettj)
                 The alleged pwhysall shifts his ground. - (marlowe) - (2)
                     What ARE you talking about? - (pwhysall) - (1)
                         You're asserting things all over the place. - (marlowe)
         So you're saying the burden of proof exists for those who... - (marlowe)
         Scientific reason you dont believe - (boxley) - (3)
             s/gene/meme -NT - (tseliot)
             Heh.. you may be as close as any come - (Ashton) - (1)
                 gladly ripped off idea couldnt remember who to - (boxley)
         Do ants understand their position in the universe? - (brettj) - (4)
             they are as certain as we are -NT - (boxley)
             Ants can be regarded as cells, an ant colony as an organ. - (Another Scott) - (2)
                 Are you implying that we are merely neurons on the internet - (brettj)
                 After re-reading your last statement ... - (brettj)
         The null hypothesis... - (screamer)

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