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New Request by elevator victim's kin denied
follow-up to this [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=114020|post]

Christus St. Joseph Hospital denied a request by the parents of a physician who died in an elevator accident to have a family representative present during an inspection of the unit this morning.

Officials from Kone Elevators, which maintains St. Joseph elevators; Otis, which manufactured the elevator; and federal and state safety investigators will run Elevator 14 for the first time since the Aug. 16 accident and then inspect it.

Dr. Hitoshi Nikaidoh, 35, was pinned between the elevator doors as it began to ascend in the hospital's George Strake Building.

"We want to know how and why Toshi died, but they are denying the person who would be our advocate, or Toshi's advocate, to be present," said Nikaidoh's stepmother, Lynn Nikaidoh of Farmers Branch, a Dallas suburb.

India Chumney Hancock, a hospital spokeswoman, said the hospital considered the request and "we respectfully said no."

The inspection, Hancock said, will be conducted by U.S. Occupational Safety and Health Administration investigators and state inspectors.

"We will share a final report with the family and their attorney, and they will be given an opportunity to conduct their own independent investigation," Hancock said.

Howard Nations, the family's Houston attorney, said that if the hospital goes through with today's test without the family representative present, he will likely seek court intervention.

"The only thing that would put us at odds with (the hospital) legally is if they're guilty of negligence," Nations said. "I can't understand why they would not allow us to participate in the testing and inspection unless they have something to hide."

[link|http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/2068218|link]
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New Kone - same company responsible for escalator accident
I think this Kone company is trouble. Some snips from around the web...

DENVER -- The Colorado Rockies shut down all the escalators at Coors Field on Thursday, one of the busiest days of the season, while engineers tried to find what caused one of the moving staircases to hurl dozens of terrified fans on top of each other.

The Rockies also disclosed that 12 people were injured when another escalator at the stadium abruptly stopped May 24. Alves said people had minor injuries, including cuts and bruises.

Kone also services an escalator at the Dallas Convention Center that suddenly accelerated last week, thrusting a number of riders into a pile at the bottom but causing no significant injuries, KDFW-TV in Dallas reported. The escalator was taken out of service but the cause of the malfunction hadn't been determined.

A UT student fell nine stories to his death in an elevator accident Sunday afternoon in Clement Hall. UT contracts its elevator service through Montgomery KONE.

Alpine Centre owns a commercial building in Bettendorf, Iowa, and leases space to tenants.\ufffd The common area of the building, which is under the control of Alpine, has an elevator.\ufffd On November 15, 1994, O'Neal, a business invitee, was using the elevator when it precipitously dropped from the second floor to the ground.\ufffd O'Neal was injured in the fall. At the time of the accident, Alpine Centre had a contract with Montgomery Kone to maintain and service the elevator.

Some links:
[link|http://www.thedenverchannel.com/sports/2325917/detail.html|http://www.thedenver...25917/detail.html]
[link|http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2003/0703/1576569.html|http://espn.go.com/m...0703/1576569.html]
[link|http://www.augustachronicle.com/stories/070403/bas_124-7807.shtml|http://www.augustach...as_124-7807.shtml]
[link|http://dailybeacon.utk.edu/issues/v74/n59/elevator.59n.html|http://dailybeacon.u...elevator.59n.html]
[link|http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:BkjSf_xVxgwJ:www.judicial.state.ia.us/appeals/opinions/20010718/99-0838.doc+Kone+Accident&hl=en&ie=UTF-8|http://216.239.39.10...nt&hl=en&ie=UTF-8]




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New Winders software anywhere about the controls?
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New IMHO, unlikely.
I had an interesting exchange with a travelator technician a few months ago at a local shopping centre. Coupled with observations about an elevator I used daily for a few months in an older office building, I strongly suspect owners of these devices are keeping them running far far beyond their original intended life-span. The travelator in question, for instance, was over 30 years old and had actually been purchased second-hand by the developer when they extended the shopping centre!

Wade.

Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
 
Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please

-- "Anything but Ordinary" by Avril Lavigne.

New Coors field is only 8 years old
The escalators there are all new as of construction date - the investigation showed multiple broken springs in the braking system. Either they're using cheap parts or they're not ripping things apart to look at them on the service calls like they are supposed to.

[link|http://www.ballparks.com/baseball/national/coorsf.htm|http://www.ballparks...tional/coorsf.htm]
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Smalltalk is dangerous. It is a drug. My advice to you would be don't try it; it could ruin your life. Once you take the time to learn it (to REALLY learn it) you will see that there is nothing out there (yet) to touch it. Of course, like all drugs, how dangerous it is depends on your character. It may be that once you've got to this stage you'll find it difficult (if not impossible) to "go back" to other languages and, if you are forced to, you might become an embittered character constantly muttering ascerbic comments under your breath. Who knows, you may even have to quit the software industry altogether because nothing else lives up to your new expectations.
--AndyBower
New Were the escalators new?
Do you know this for a fact? :-) I don't think we can know unless the installer tells us. The travelators I mentioned were also installed in a new building. They looked to all intents and purposes to be brand new. But they'd been purchased secondhand.

Wade.

Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
 
Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please

-- "Anything but Ordinary" by Avril Lavigne.

New Hospital lets lawyer see elevator inspection
Latest update:

Reversing their earlier decision under the threat of legal action, Christus St. Joseph Hospital officials allowed a representative of Dr. Hitoshi Nikaidoh's family to view Wednesday's inspection of the malfunctioning elevator that killed the surgical resident.

[...]

Hospital spokeswoman India Hancock said the hospital reversed its decision after getting state clearance to allow the presence of a family representative.

Earlier, Hancock had said the family would be permitted to conduct its own investigation later. But Nations said he worried that the hospital might repair the elevator before making it available for independent testing or that evidence might be destroyed during the first examination.

[link|http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/2070119|link]
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New not sure what to make of this
the "top story" at the [link|http://www.chron.com/|Chronicle] right now is [link|http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/topstory/2072027|Autopsy of doctor killed in elevator accident finds alcohol]
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New Simple. Redirect the blame...
Same as majority of airplane crashes are caused by pilot (now deceased and unable to object) error.

If he was "drunk" then "his mental ability was impaired, therefore he was unable to react correctly when faced with the elevator malfunction" IOW he's partly to blame, we'll split blame 50/50 and award you a settlement of $1.98.
New Kone is, alas, a Finnish company.
Not that you'd know it from a superficial look at their Web site, www.kone.com -- are they ashamed of it or something? :-( You have to dig down a bit to find out anything about their roots; this [link|http://www.kone.com/corporate/main/0,,content=30484&topelem_id=7393&navielem_id=29842,00.html|KONE Corporate Company History, 1933-1987] page is perhaps the best source. As the second paragraph says:
After World War II, KONE was called upon by the Finnish government to contribute elevators, electric hoists and cranes to the war reparations being paid to the Soviet Union. This program forced KONE to expand its capacity, rationalize production processes and learn to meet demanding manufacturing schedules.
Pretty conclusive; the Finnish government couldn't very well be asking foreign companies to contribute to its war reparations, nyet?

As an aside, from the [link|http://www.kone.com/corporate/main/0,,content=30495&topelem_id=7393&navielem_id=29851,00.html|1988-2003] page, you see mention of "its associated company, O&K Rolltreppen GmbH of Germany" -- I think the "O&K" must mean "Otis & Kone"; those two must be much more closely linked than you'd think... Why do I think so? Because so many new elevators (no, Wade, not used ones), in new houses here in the Helsinki area, are so often Otises nowadays -- NO WAY Kone would cede their old near-monopoly on their remote and isolated home market to their biggest international competitor, if that really *were* so much of a competitor! They're in cahoots, somehow.

The word "kone", BTW, means "machine" in Finnish.


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(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
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New Welcome back!
Good to see your cantankerous mug around these parts again.
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New Mega dittos!
Alex

"Don't let it end like this. Tell them I said something." -- last words of Pancho Villa (1877-1923)
New me too...
There is blue depletion alert that needs to be attended to...
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New ObAOLMeToo
New Welcome back Conrad (new thread)
Created as new thread #118822 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=118822|Welcome back Conrad]
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Comment by Nightowl
New I seem to be part of a chorus here...
<AOL>What everyone else said.</AOL>

Cheers,
Ben
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New Hopefully that isn't a chorus line
Keep those legs down...

At any rate, good to see you active again, Christian.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New No worries...he's in So. Cal.
...and welcome back CRC!
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New MeToo
(Hoped you weren't having tyke-problems and such)


Ashton
New Depends...
...on how you define "tyke". :-)


   [link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575|Ashton Brown]
New Re: Depends...
Ahhh.. ummm

(sometimes there are no words best spoken)
..but here's a tiny note of Cheer.
New Thanks, everybody. Ironically...
...Just as I come back here, circumstances conspire to make my presence here sporadic for the next two or three weeks: Remember how I talked about hanging new wallpaper, six months (? IIRC) ago? Anki had lived with the same old boring monochrome grey ones for eleven years, was heartily sick of them, and convinced that "No way we'll get them to put up new ones". So, naturally, here we are, less than a year later -- and the landlord ("Laajasalo Real Estate Co."; city-owned housing (pretty good rent! :-) ) announces they're going to put up new wallpaper in every flat in our house!

The samples they let you choose from are, of course, four different shades of the same old boring monochrome grey... Well, fortunately, after we explained the situation to them, they agreed to let us keep our wallpaper. But they're also painting the ceilings and replacing the flooring (no, Gryge, I'm sure they'll use sensible six-foot-wide swaths of material off a huge roll, not silly little glue-'em-down-one-by-one mosaic tiles), so we've had to evacuate our flat anyway -- actually, we're *lucky* we got to evacuate! You see, they're doing this in a "staggered" fashion, bedrooms first and living room & hallway later. As I understand it, people are supposed to scrunch up and live in just their living rooms first, and just their bedrooms later... I can't see how the FUCK anybody is going to manage that, though!?!

Anki wangled us the use of another flat, just across the courtyard, citing potentially harmful-to-babies paint fumes; this after the neighbour across the courtyard -- next door to our temporary refuge -- recounted how they had got a similar arrangement when their flats were done last year, on account of her husband's asthma... And even after we moved some of our furniture -- including three or four beds, depending on how you count -- over to the "new" flat, our living room is full to the gills with... *stuff*! So how the HECK are people supposed to be able to live that way, even for a week or two? I don't get it... And I don't *think* we have that much more stuff than anyone else.

So, anyway, I'll be living just a few spiteful yards away from my trusty Cable-TV-company 'Net connection for a while. Work was supposed to have been started today, but I didn't see anyone when I dropped in on my way to work this morning, even though I was very late; I left after nine, having spent half the night masking most of the wallpaper so as not to have it all splattered with ceiling-paint. Ran out of frigging masking tape, too, of course, so now I'll have to go buy some more and go home and do the rest.

Most of you would probably be surprised, BTW, at how disconcerting it feels to live in a ground plan that is a mirror image of the one you're used to. Oh well, maybe this is something one gets used to pretty quickly... But still, the feeling of disorientation was amazingly strong.


   [link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
New I've felt that...
The houses in our neighborhood were generally built to 3 different plans. Occasionally I'll go into a neighbor's house and get a funky feeling until I realize that they have our floor plan, but reversed.

Sounds like a pain in the ass. Hang tight.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New It confuses cats, too :)
A place I was sharing a while ago was a duplex - with the other half of course being a mirror image.

The neighbours had a cat, who one day decided to wander in to our half. In short, it became startled, ran out of a bedroom and very nearly went whump into the wall where a stairwell was meant to be. In it's half of the duplex.

I *swear* it did the pusscat equivalent of a double-take before dashing off down the stairs. :-)
John. Busy lad.
New Wall whumping

House I grew up in did a right-angle bend through the kitchen, heading from the dining room to the bedrooms. Cats, when chased across the linoleum, would lose traction negotiating the turn... The cat's slide was generally interrupted by the oven. The tormenter's, occasionally, by Mom.

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New ObAol - Me Too!
Happens with one of my parents' cats. However, the cat isn't chased*, I just throw cat-biscuits across the floor, and off she goes.

Skitter skitter skitter
*whump*
Then crunch-crunch-crunch on the cat biscuit, and back to me with the cat equivalent of a 'Next please!' look on her face :)

(Side note - if you throw something inedible, it turns into a game of fetch.)


* but, having been desexed, it is chaste...
John. Busy lad.
New Cats on slippery floors.
My sister's cat usually forgets she can use her claws for traction. She is often seen skidding along the cork floor... My mum's cat, OTOH, *does* use her claws and can often be heard as she walks on the cork.

Wade.

Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
 
Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please

-- "Anything but Ordinary" by Avril Lavigne.

New Gah.
So what does the cork floor look like by now?

This is more than a curious question: we have 6 cats and I'm considering a cork floor for the family room.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New No visible cat damage, actually.
And it's been there for 20 years and four cats. There is more damage from sunshine and chair legs.

I should mention that mum's cat isn't one for running across it. Or running anywhere much. It's just not her style. My sister's cat OTOH has a peripheral vision problem which makes her a bit more skittish and random in her locomotion.

Wade.

Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed
 
Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please

-- "Anything but Ordinary" by Avril Lavigne.

New I see.. Yesssss____Skittenish!
New sensible six-FOOT-wide swaths?
CRC, for SHAME! What happened to your metric purity?

We don't glue-'em-down-one-by-one floor tiles - they're adhesive backed so we just set them in place. Much easier than trying to wrestle a six-FOOT-wide giant roll of something to fit around door jambs and such.

A lot of linoleum was used here in the 50's, and they still sell it, but I don't seen much of it used lstely except in hospitals where it can be curled up to the wall at the edges making cleaning easier (but installation more expensive).
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New Plenty of people still put linoleum in their kitchens.
There were 3 layers of it in our house's kitchen, which was built in 1968.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New Linoleum is used in hospitals...
...because it's naturally antiseptic.


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New Re: metric purity?
I bet they're two meter wide rolls. :)
Alex

"Don't let it end like this. Tell them I said something." -- last words of Pancho Villa (1877-1923)
New Alex is right; that was a translation just for you, Gryge.
:-)
New BTW, "We don't glue-'em-down ... they're adhesive backed"?!?
So WTF is "adhesive", if not a fancy way of spelling "glue"?!?

You lay 'em down one by one -- "we just set them in place" -- and once you put them down, they stick -- "they're adhesive backed" -- so you can't move 'em around after you've put them down.

How the fuck is that NOT gluing 'em down one by one???

The Romans had floors like that, of tiny tiles glued down one by one; the tecnique is called "mosaic". (Hmm... Wonder if the name has anything to do with "the Mosaic belief"?)

But then, they could afford to use stupid inefficient techniques like that -- they had slave labour... And the sensible two-meter-wide roll of flexible flooring material hadn't been invented yet.

But now it has -- and slavery is abolished -- so using inefficient Roman techniques is just stupid.


   [link|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode|Christian R. Conrad]
(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
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     Request by elevator victim's kin denied - (lincoln) - (35)
         Kone - same company responsible for escalator accident - (tuberculosis) - (4)
             Winders software anywhere about the controls? -NT - (boxley) - (3)
                 IMHO, unlikely. - (static) - (2)
                     Coors field is only 8 years old - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                         Were the escalators new? - (static)
         Hospital lets lawyer see elevator inspection - (lincoln)
         not sure what to make of this - (SpiceWare) - (1)
             Simple. Redirect the blame... - (jbrabeck)
         Kone is, alas, a Finnish company. - (CRConrad) - (26)
             Welcome back! - (Steve Lowe) - (7)
                 Mega dittos! -NT - (a6l6e6x)
                 me too... - (jb4)
                 ObAOLMeToo -NT - (inthane-chan)
                 Welcome back Conrad (new thread) - (Nightowl)
                 I seem to be part of a chorus here... - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                     Hopefully that isn't a chorus line - (admin) - (1)
                         No worries...he's in So. Cal. - (bepatient)
             MeToo - (Ashton) - (2)
                 Depends... - (CRConrad) - (1)
                     Re: Depends... - (Ashton)
             Thanks, everybody. Ironically... - (CRConrad) - (14)
                 I've felt that... - (admin) - (7)
                     It confuses cats, too :) - (Meerkat) - (6)
                         Wall whumping - (kmself) - (5)
                             ObAol - Me Too! - (Meerkat) - (4)
                                 Cats on slippery floors. - (static) - (3)
                                     Gah. - (admin) - (2)
                                         No visible cat damage, actually. - (static) - (1)
                                             I see.. Yesssss____Skittenish! -NT - (Ashton)
                 sensible six-FOOT-wide swaths? - (Andrew Grygus) - (5)
                     Plenty of people still put linoleum in their kitchens. - (admin)
                     Linoleum is used in hospitals... - (pwhysall)
                     Re: metric purity? - (a6l6e6x)
                     Alex is right; that was a translation just for you, Gryge. -NT - (CRConrad)
                     BTW, "We don't glue-'em-down ... they're adhesive backed"?!? - (CRConrad)

Toto... I don't think we're in Kansas anymore...!
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