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Post #114,360
by slugbug
8/19/03 4:13:51 PM
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New best tool for the job....
...given the environment at hand. Usually a good approach.

IntelliJ's debugger is better than PB's? What is the issue
with PB's debugger? Have not used it...

Does anyone have any other favorite debugging tools they use?

Thank you,
-Slugbug
Post #114,364
by admin
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8/19/03 4:21:11 PM
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New Debuggers...
Honestly, I don't use them. Well, I do for C++, but it's frigging necessary there.

Unit tests and printlns do for me.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #114,399
by tuberculosis
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8/19/03 6:00:54 PM
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New I really need one
for this project.

I'm doing a very complicated decision tree/mass balance kind of thing (it figures out how to butcher cattle to produce different products based upon demand for various cuts). WIthout the ability to stop the program and inspect the stack during the tree traversal, I'd never figure out what's going on.

A single unit test involves very extensive calculations. I do a huge amount of logging and I still need to halt the system regularly to check its state to make sure that stuff is going on.

And of course, in Smalltalk, I do most of my coding in the debugger while the program runs.



Smalltalk is dangerous. It is a drug. My advice to you would be don't try it; it could ruin your life. Once you take the time to learn it (to REALLY learn it) you will see that there is nothing out there (yet) to touch it. Of course, like all drugs, how dangerous it is depends on your character. It may be that once you've got to this stage you'll find it difficult (if not impossible) to "go back" to other languages and, if you are forced to, you might become an embittered character constantly muttering ascerbic comments under your breath. Who knows, you may even have to quit the software industry altogether because nothing else lives up to your new expectations.
--AndyBower
Post #114,404
by tuberculosis
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8/19/03 6:08:32 PM
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New PB stops working on projects above a certain size
And they're not in a hurry to fix it because its deprecated for the XCode thing coming out.



Smalltalk is dangerous. It is a drug. My advice to you would be don't try it; it could ruin your life. Once you take the time to learn it (to REALLY learn it) you will see that there is nothing out there (yet) to touch it. Of course, like all drugs, how dangerous it is depends on your character. It may be that once you've got to this stage you'll find it difficult (if not impossible) to "go back" to other languages and, if you are forced to, you might become an embittered character constantly muttering ascerbic comments under your breath. Who knows, you may even have to quit the software industry altogether because nothing else lives up to your new expectations.
--AndyBower
Post #114,405
by deSitter
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8/19/03 6:11:52 PM
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New Often overlooked
Some editors seem fine until you try to do something BIG with them. One reason I love UltraEdit - you can't make it gag no matter what you throw at it.
-drl
     Care to be quotable on code editors? - (slugbug) - (75) - Aug. 18, 2003, 11:15:05 PM EDT
         Sounds like you want to talk to our admin. - (Another Scott) - (6) - Aug. 18, 2003, 11:26:36 PM EDT
             I'll give it a shot - (tjsinclair) - (5) - Aug. 19, 2003, 01:08:46 AM EDT
                 Thanks.... - (slugbug) - (4) - Aug. 19, 2003, 03:51:26 PM EDT
                     Teaching is a slightly different issue - (tjsinclair) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:40:19 PM EDT
                     Teaching - use whatever you like - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Aug. 20, 2003, 11:47:24 AM EDT
                         I do that as well - (tjsinclair) - Aug. 20, 2003, 01:47:58 PM EDT
                         rofl - (deSitter) - Aug. 20, 2003, 01:46:22 PM EDT
         Re: Care to be quotable on code editors? - (deSitter) - (3) - Aug. 19, 2003, 12:54:16 AM EDT
             no blame here.... - (slugbug) - (2) - Aug. 19, 2003, 03:54:46 PM EDT
                 of course! - (deSitter) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 05:43:52 PM EDT
                     rofl -NT - (slugbug) - Aug. 19, 2003, 09:41:58 PM EDT
         Re: Care to be quotable on code editors? - (gdaustin) - (9) - Aug. 19, 2003, 12:56:56 AM EDT
             I diverged. Here's the list. - (gdaustin) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 11:04:59 AM EDT
                 This is great...thank you! -NT - (slugbug) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:07:02 PM EDT
             great input...compare utilities? - (slugbug) - (6) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:05:40 PM EDT
                 Compare Utilities - (gdaustin) - (4) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:25:42 PM EDT
                     On Second Thought - (gdaustin) - (3) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:40:01 PM EDT
                         Ok either way.... -NT - (slugbug) - (2) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:58:04 PM EDT
                             How far out is the article? - (gdaustin) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 05:00:18 PM EDT
                                 It running.... - (slugbug) - Aug. 19, 2003, 09:57:03 PM EDT
                 opendiff on OS X is the best I've ever used - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 19, 2003, 06:12:12 PM EDT
         OK - (tuberculosis) - (5) - Aug. 19, 2003, 03:37:25 AM EDT
             best tool for the job.... - (slugbug) - (4) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:13:51 PM EDT
                 Debuggers... - (admin) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:21:11 PM EDT
                     I really need one - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 19, 2003, 06:00:54 PM EDT
                 PB stops working on projects above a certain size - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 06:08:32 PM EDT
                     Often overlooked - (deSitter) - Aug. 19, 2003, 06:11:52 PM EDT
         2c deposited... - (static) - (4) - Aug. 19, 2003, 03:58:58 AM EDT
             deposit accepted :-) - (slugbug) - (3) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:21:01 PM EDT
                 Gotta think about that... - (static) - Aug. 20, 2003, 08:03:53 AM EDT
                 Quoting okay. - (static) - (1) - Aug. 20, 2003, 10:57:27 PM EDT
                     Thanks very much! -NT - (slugbug) - Aug. 23, 2003, 10:20:43 AM EDT
         I'll come back to this, but... - (admin) - (2) - Aug. 19, 2003, 08:13:51 AM EDT
             so, maybe there is a more fundamental question.... - (slugbug) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:30:52 PM EDT
                 That's a physical description... - (admin) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:39:22 PM EDT
         I use Emacs, - (Arkadiy) - (3) - Aug. 19, 2003, 10:10:17 AM EDT
             but, but, but.... - (slugbug) - (2) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:37:54 PM EDT
                 Data point: - (admin) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:43:14 PM EDT
                 I will let you know in 4 years :) - (Arkadiy) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:52:54 PM EDT
         Well in a Windows World... - (folkert) - (2) - Aug. 19, 2003, 06:11:37 PM EDT
             Forgot that one... - (slugbug) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:40:39 PM EDT
                 Yes I meant Fast.... - (folkert) - Aug. 19, 2003, 05:54:35 PM EDT
         My necessities - (ChrisR) - (2) - Aug. 19, 2003, 11:02:57 AM EDT
             good info... - (slugbug) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:46:48 PM EDT
                 The problem I have with most IDE editors is the keymapping - (admin) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:49:54 PM EDT
         And the answer is... - (admin) - (24) - Aug. 19, 2003, 11:42:35 AM EDT
             So.... - (slugbug) - (22) - Aug. 19, 2003, 04:54:15 PM EDT
                 Re: So.... - (admin) - (20) - Aug. 19, 2003, 05:04:33 PM EDT
                     Appropriate title? - (ChrisR) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 05:21:53 PM EDT
                         No.... for you, it's "Sir". ;-) -NT - (admin) - Aug. 19, 2003, 05:24:28 PM EDT
                     titles, brilliant kids, and comparing programmers..... - (slugbug) - (10) - Aug. 19, 2003, 10:12:40 PM EDT
                         Pointy clicky... - (admin) - (5) - Aug. 19, 2003, 10:31:21 PM EDT
                             Definitely with Scott on this one... - (gdaustin) - (4) - Aug. 19, 2003, 11:18:17 PM EDT
                                 Disagree RE GUI development - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Aug. 20, 2003, 11:29:04 AM EDT
                                     I like your Law so much I twikified it. - (FuManChu) - (1) - Aug. 20, 2003, 05:08:37 PM EDT
                                         heh - cool -NT - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 20, 2003, 08:42:36 PM EDT
                                 What he said... - (slugbug) - Aug. 23, 2003, 11:02:42 AM EDT
                         People buying the software... - (gdaustin) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 11:45:54 PM EDT
                             And the congregation said: - (folkert) - Aug. 19, 2003, 11:50:10 PM EDT
                         Of Mice and Programmers... - (static) - Aug. 20, 2003, 08:24:34 AM EDT
                         Well, then in THAT case - (FuManChu) - Aug. 20, 2003, 11:03:50 AM EDT
                     Re: So.... - (deSitter) - (3) - Aug. 19, 2003, 11:24:54 PM EDT
                         Nope. - (admin) - Aug. 20, 2003, 08:58:42 AM EDT
                         Re: So.... - (JimWeirich) - Aug. 20, 2003, 10:18:59 AM EDT
                         I modified the code... - (gdaustin) - Aug. 20, 2003, 10:40:03 PM EDT
                     Scott... - (slugbug) - (2) - Aug. 23, 2003, 11:07:44 AM EDT
                         Re: Scott... - (admin) - (1) - Aug. 23, 2003, 11:24:31 AM EDT
                             thanks... - (slugbug) - Aug. 23, 2003, 03:54:18 PM EDT
                 Re: So.... - (gdaustin) - Aug. 19, 2003, 05:09:45 PM EDT
             I'm still a vim man...but I respect what emacs can do. - (Simon_Jester) - Aug. 21, 2003, 10:25:35 PM EDT
         emacs and visual slickedit - (hnick) - (1) - Aug. 19, 2003, 05:38:01 PM EDT
             Split-screen is nice in a text environment too... -NT - (admin) - Aug. 19, 2003, 05:45:39 PM EDT
         Aww, c'mon. This is always how the wars start! - (broomberg) - (1) - Aug. 25, 2003, 11:09:31 PM EDT
             Yeah, forgot about paren automatch. - (admin) - Aug. 25, 2003, 11:14:30 PM EDT
         Are there still people who work without syntax coloring? - (drewk) - Aug. 26, 2003, 11:06:17 AM EDT

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