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New Logic Chopping
God is not captured in any religion, ever. All the current religions are complete failures. I renounced my Christianity on 9/12.

But...

If you can't sense him, you are already two-thirds dead. If he does not speak to you, I feel sorry for someone so completely alone in himself. If he does not live in your heart, you may as well be a machine. And if his plan is not clear to you, then you are little better than some automatic simple thing like a maggot, a mayfly, or a paramecium, and wil be as little missed.

You have lots of company, Moslem and Jew, Christian and Buddhist, Shinto and shaman. You are all wrong, and none of you supermen will quit until you have destroyed everything, including your hubris-soaked selves.
New Says *you*.



Peter
Shill For Hire
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
New Indeed, sez I. God is personal.
New Why 9/12?
Human inhumanity to man has been around as long as humans have existed.

Why 9/12? Why not when the Rowandans massacred each other? Why not Bosnia? Why not Somolia? Why not the African AIDS statistics?

One of the problems with the concept of a good and caring God is why He permits suffering to happen. Every church has wrestled with this problem (and none really successfully answer it.)

What was it about 6000+ New Yorkers dying at the hands of a couple dozen fanatics that did it for you?
I say that not as a card-carrying Christian, but as one who is cynical about most (OK, all the ones I'm familiar with) major religions. If there is an afterlife, I think it'll be more like Spider Robinson's Life House rather than clouds, 70 virgins, and/or choirs of angels. But if you *are* a believer, nothing that happened on 9/11/2001 should turn you one way or the other. Senseless events have happened before and will happen again.
Who knows how empty the sky is
In the place of a fallen tower.
Who knows how quiet it is in the home
Where a son has not returned.

-- Anna Akhmatova (1889-1966)
New Simple
These are crimes (NOT war acts) in God's name.

Not my God. Piss on everyone, Christain Jew Moslem and whatever the fuck else. You all deserve what you will get, which is annihilation.
New Don't forget
to also add in the aethiests to that lot.

'Religion is poison'
Ray
New Data Point
I parse "9/12" as "The ninth of December", and spent a moment or ten wondering what on earth happened on that date.

It might be better for all on ZIWT if we spell out dates.


Peter
Shill For Hire
[link|http://www.kuro5hin.org|There is no K5 Cabal]
     Atheism And The Burden Of Proof - (pwhysall) - (44)
         Personal experience. - (static) - (1)
             Sorta. - (pwhysall)
         Logic Chopping - (deSitter) - (6)
             Says *you*. - (pwhysall) - (1)
                 Indeed, sez I. God is personal. -NT - (deSitter)
             Why 9/12? - (wharris2) - (2)
                 Simple - (deSitter) - (1)
                     Don't forget - (rsf)
             Data Point - (pwhysall)
         It's been (un)done - (Ashton) - (9)
             Science can measure anything - (Brandioch) - (8)
                 Faith... - (inthane-chan) - (7)
                     "Take the red pill..." :-) -NT - (static) - (6)
                         You know, I'm really beginning to hate that movie. - (inthane-chan) - (5)
                             Sad but true. - (Brandioch)
                             I know what you mean. - (static) - (3)
                                 *SMACK!* - (inthane-chan) - (2)
                                     I didn't say I *agreed* with doing that! - (static) - (1)
                                         DeSmacking. - (inthane-chan)
         Not here to 'save" you what you are or believe is up to you - (boxley)
         I assert that pwhysall does not exist. - (marlowe) - (12)
             spent 10 hrs with a certified psycho doing the same thing - (boxley)
             The burden of proof lies where it always does - (pwhysall) - (10)
                 Just want to make sure I understand your POV - (tseliot) - (6)
                     Yep. - (pwhysall) - (5)
                         I think I see the confusion. Maybe? - (brettj) - (4)
                             Nothing here 'annoying' - (Ashton)
                             Nah, that's not it. - (pwhysall) - (2)
                                 The Bible. - (static)
                                 Re: The violence in the OT - (brettj)
                 The alleged pwhysall shifts his ground. - (marlowe) - (2)
                     What ARE you talking about? - (pwhysall) - (1)
                         You're asserting things all over the place. - (marlowe)
         So you're saying the burden of proof exists for those who... - (marlowe)
         Scientific reason you dont believe - (boxley) - (3)
             s/gene/meme -NT - (tseliot)
             Heh.. you may be as close as any come - (Ashton) - (1)
                 gladly ripped off idea couldnt remember who to - (boxley)
         Do ants understand their position in the universe? - (brettj) - (4)
             they are as certain as we are -NT - (boxley)
             Ants can be regarded as cells, an ant colony as an organ. - (Another Scott) - (2)
                 Are you implying that we are merely neurons on the internet - (brettj)
                 After re-reading your last statement ... - (brettj)
         The null hypothesis... - (screamer)

If I'm going to visit an exotic foreign land with L. Ron Hubbard or Jim Jones, I'll opt for the Scientology tour.
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