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New He he . . OK, here's one . .
. . and I'm not just making this up. Future client was getting cheap computer help from kids taking computer classes at the local college. They told him "You've got to have a server, and it should be Windows 2000".

Well, it wasn't really a server, just a workstation moonlighting as a server, but the kids set it up just as they'd been taught in school, with full Active Directory. So this small business client would definitely need XP Pro or he wouldn't be able to access his server.

Fortunately, this never came to pass, because Win 2000 corrupted its hard disk and wouldn't boot. The client asked me, "And while you're at it could you puleeeeze get rid of that Active Directory crap?". I told him that was already scheduled, so now he runs happily on Peer-to-Peer and will be able to run XP Home when he gets his next new notebook.

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New Haha
Just one more reason that just like you have to pass a test before you can drive a car, you should have to pass one before you're allowed to go a-tinkering with computers.

No. Sympathy. (Actually, AD works really well on small domains. It's when you try to scale it to the enterprise that it's a bit of a bear)


Peter
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New Oh, it worked quite well enough . .
Problem was, the local "power users" never could figure out how to get a new PC to access the server (and the mess they left demonstrates they tried mightily), so they had to pay me a travel charge and 15 minutes every time they wanted to move stuff around.
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New "AD works well"___Maybe for *you* it does.
Call me a canary for the small-biz tyro, then. I spent several sessions of several hours with that fine O'Reilly W2K Server book, in front of the console. (In connection with possibly doing some pro bono work for a local animal shelter - which had a fancy Compaq server, RAID, cha cha cha - and no local talent)

Yes, I can imagine that a couple of enthusiastic wannabe \ufffdber-geek kids might.. manage to barely get off the ground with a small system. I also recall (in the fine [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=33203| MANual] you suggested) the plethora of AD refs - an addendum to almost every task or TLA description! - which you might be looking up in order to comprehend.

That book would have been 1/3 the size - were it edited for all users not contemplating AD. Note the remark of the highly pro-Beast author re "learning AD". He Said That: talking to Pros. AD seemed to me a Giant Switch, altering the relationship of everything you thought you had grokked - if turned ON.

If it's true that most small biz has NO full-time Admin: I cannot imagine a MBA type coming close to managing.. let alone altering an AD network! And yes - I Am incompetent to manage networks (too) - just like the SBA guy. But I read English pretty well, even English about logic - and that was not nearly enough. The plethora of interrelated details is what cuts it (out).

Maybe it's been too long.. it's hard for me, too - to remember when just
pip B:=A:*.* /V seemed sorta cryptic. But I'd bet real money that no one without extensive acquaintance with a couple generations of M$ bafflegab, nested menus AND minutely detailed understanding of networking: could ever get AD working, (or keep-working, a pro-setup) after one random arcane glitch.

I guess YM Does V, but I imagine 'AD' may have something? to do with those staying with 9x, kicking and screaming OR hiring a pricey kinda gal they have no $ to pay.


Ashton
I wouldn't attempt AD even for sex - let alone $
I learned from that book! Why

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New Hold on a cotton-pickin' second
How did the aforementioned kids install AD onto a workstation? Or do you mean that it was a workstation box with a copy of W2K Server on it? Cuz you sure as shit can't dcpromo a copy of W2K Pro :-)


Peter
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New Ezzakly . .
. . a workstation with Win 2000 Server as it's OS. The kids "borrowed" it, of course - the cost might have been a red flag to the owners if the subject had come up.
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         Re: 5% of Windows installs crash twice or more times a day - (deSitter) - (2)
             Business idea - (orion)
             Many have tried, and many have died. - (Andrew Grygus)
         Re: 5% of Windows installs crash twice or more times a day - (andread) - (31)
             Report on restart? - (JayMehaffey)
             Re: 5% of Windows installs crash twice or more times a day - (Andrew Grygus) - (29)
                 FUD - (pwhysall) - (28)
                     Over 70% of the installed base is 98 or earlier . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (27)
                         Not convinced. - (pwhysall) - (26)
                             Have to agree with Peter - (Silverlock)
                             Most of the world is small business and . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (24)
                                 Agreed - (jake123) - (23)
                                     Fools - (pwhysall) - (22)
                                         You can't underestimate - (jake123)
                                         We see remarkably little data loss . . - (Andrew Grygus)
                                         Keeping older hardware and software - (orion) - (19)
                                             Re: Keeping older hardware and software - (pwhysall) - (18)
                                                 He he . . OK, here's one . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (5)
                                                     Haha - (pwhysall) - (2)
                                                         Oh, it worked quite well enough . . - (Andrew Grygus)
                                                         "AD works well"___Maybe for *you* it does. - (Ashton)
                                                     Hold on a cotton-pickin' second - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                                         Ezzakly . . - (Andrew Grygus)
                                                 Differences between XP Home and XP Pro - (orion) - (11)
                                                     Re: Differences between XP Home and XP Pro - (pwhysall) - (10)
                                                         Okay, Peter, I'll bite. - (mmoffitt) - (7)
                                                             VB6 apps crashing on XP - (andread) - (2)
                                                                 Do you have any cites for the incompatibilities? - (bbronson) - (1)
                                                                     Re: Do you have any cites for the incompatibilities? - (orion)
                                                             Hey, Peter. - (mmoffitt)
                                                             Re: Okay, Peter, I'll bite. - (pwhysall) - (2)
                                                                 OT: What's been your .Net experience? - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                                                     Absolutely nuffink whatsoever :-) - (pwhysall)
                                                         Don't take my word for it - (orion) - (1)
                                                             I did, you plonker. -NT - (pwhysall)

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