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New I can't agree.
I understand your point and am inclined to agree on the whole. However, even considering that we are muttling up the situation with generalizations that cannot in any real sense speak to the reality, I think it unfair to say that being unable to understand the intricacies of female thought is a result of applying a spreadsheet mentality to it. It might be more fair to say that human relationships do not abide by deductive reasoning. That may be what you are saying when you emphasize "assigning numbers", but I'd argue it is not the same thing. "Assigning numbers" is an -GAG!- application.

Find a woman who will be happy to hear "Come, let us reason together" and you have found an unusual one, if not unique!

It is a fair criticism, imo, to say that too much emphasis on reason blocks an appreciation of a genuine life. But in my experience, very little of a woman's conclusions about anything are based upon an application of logic. To be sure, they "feel" more than we do, on the whole. The trouble is in trying to understand them, you must abandon your normal approach of studying the facts, agreeing on premises, applying logic and coming to a conclusion and instead try to figure out how a position makes you "feel". "Does that make sense?" is how, I think, most men look at anything while "How do I feel about that?" is the approach most women take.

On the whole, men who try to "figure women out" fail because of their method. They apply reason as the means to figuring them out and reason, on the whole, does not apply to the way a woman thinks.

Of course, this discussion has diluted into sweeping generalizations. But most, of course not all, women I've known fit the above.

bcnu,
Mikem

The soul and substance of what customarily ranks as patriotism is moral cowardice and always has been...We have thrown away the most valuable asset we had-- the individual's right to oppose both flag and country when he (just he, by himself) believed them to be in the wrong. We have thrown it away; and with it all that was really respectable about that grotesque and laughable word, Patriotism.

- Mark Twain, "Monarchical and Republican Patriotism"
New Both 'decide' emotionally. Proof:
Eureka!

In the end (we often think.. via merely "logical processes") we always do what we Want to do. Then the rationalizations rush in to justify Why 'it felt right'. Ad infinitum (it's a Tritium-fueled generator)

Talk to a female who plays cards (well!) sometime - about that simple ol' Boolean logic. Anyway, guess I've encountered a few more brilliant ones than you have.

Besides, we started out with the very large idea of Scale - which, I think evades cute all-in-one definitions even more artfully than the infinitely malleable social myths du jour. We may as well give it up. Nice try though.


Ashton

As Thea once opined, upon hearing a recitation of a particular doomed homo-sap exchange,

What if the subject.. just didn't.. come up?

(And no, I can't 'explain' why - that was an utterly Al Punte description of the whole enchilada. 'Scale', you know.. ;-)
New We are all a bag of
snot, crap, piss, gall, bile, water, secretia and slikums wrapped in a punturable bag with appendages attached that provide entertainment and communication. Now men will react in certain ways due to hanging with other little boys so a group of disimularly brought up men can interact effectively. An example. At Beep's Party at the pool there was a throwing in of bodies. The men who were first dropped in were FOB's, the rest of us quickly saw it wasnt terribly violent, a little pushing and shoving and a drenching. The other visitors adapted to the local rules and got wet. In other parties I have been the first attempt would have started a knife fight with a little shooting on the side. All the men adapted. Now we turn to women. Men just know that their appendages are fun to play with (hetro anyway) and we constantly engage with the end result of playing with these appendages. This provides a poor communication channel as the women realize that all communications from men are overt and covert positioning. That is why Gay men get along with women quite well. The secondary signal path is out of the way. I have met women who I can quickly communicate that fun can be had, but not right this minute and have us both set aside that 2 channel communication.

Of course with My wife that is impossible, as most married men will attest that true one channel comms can only be achieved while a man is eating dinner or post coital for about 8 minutes or usual recharge time. So in conclusion, men communicate better with other men and with women with dificulty.
thanx,
bill
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New Re: We are all a bag of
I used to imagine I could communicate with women, but now I find it impossible and don't think I was ever able to do it. However, I am always getting better at communicating with animals. The less you talk, the less you rely on it.
-drl
New Wolves are fascinating.
As I encounter a friend's pair (mixed and one pure) and see movies of their 'training' of a pup .. and see how I am greeted, as I become familiar --

(Y'know, ya gotta, just once in a while - lick-back on Their nose! too) And you can see the delight in the eyes and expression:

Hey! this dim-witted humanoid Gets It... kinda. They mean a lot by those gestures and, the subtlety they telgraph is amazing, when you pay close attention. And the loyalty.


A.
     If lying while delivering the state of the Union is a crime - (boxley) - (23)
         You got to try to stop... - (Silverlock) - (22)
             Ah...I see... - (bepatient) - (20)
                 Didn't S. Hannity just use that defense for Bush? - (Simon_Jester) - (3)
                     Wrong. - (bepatient) - (2)
                         About which.... - (Simon_Jester) - (1)
                             The statement is still true. - (bepatient)
                 Do you really? - (Silverlock)
                 If others here hadn't met you, I'd swear you were female. - (mmoffitt) - (14)
                     Hey...longstanding rule... - (bepatient) - (5)
                         rofl -NT - (deSitter)
                         Re: Hey...longstanding rule... - (lincoln) - (2)
                             given, not gotten :-) -NT - (boxley)
                             There is something wrong - (broomberg)
                         OK, OK...Point BeeP!.....<snicker> -NT - (jb4)
                     Disagree flatly. - (Ashton) - (7)
                         That was a Mars/Venus foo reference. Too subtle, I suppose. - (mmoffitt) - (6)
                             I still disagree with the major premise - - (Ashton) - (5)
                                 I can't agree. - (mmoffitt) - (4)
                                     Both 'decide' emotionally. Proof: - (Ashton)
                                     We are all a bag of - (boxley) - (2)
                                         Re: We are all a bag of - (deSitter) - (1)
                                             Wolves are fascinating. - (Ashton)
             Do you remember C's last state of the union? -NT - (boxley)

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