Don't turn back clock on overtime for workers

Post #110,548 by lincoln 7/20/03 10:52:06 AM Reply	Don't turn back clock on overtime for workers [link\|http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/editorial/outlook/2001637\|link] Has this administration ever proposed a regulation opposed by business? Hopefully those big tax cuts for the wealthy will be translated into new jobs and economic growth, but I'm not holding my breath. Once upon a time, the Labor Department looked out for the interests of working men and women -- it's the reason for being. The pro and con lineup on the overtime proposal is predictable. Industry and business groups support the proposed changes, with some reservations. Organized labor is adamantly against the scrapping of overtime for so many segments of the work force. The National Association of Manufacturers said the law was being "updated," a step NAM said was long overdue and needed to bring more "clarity" to the rules. The Labor Department said the new regulations would "help small businesses grow and guarantee overtime pay for 1.3 million more low-wage workers." At the same time, the department acknowledges that 640,000 professional workers could lose their overtime pay under the new rules. The AFL-CIO claims some 8 million workers could lose their access to overtime. ... Richard Trumka, the secretary-treasurer of the AFL, called the proposals "economic poison" and said: "We're in the worst job market this nation has seen in decades. Wages are stagnant, health care is getting more expensive and it is taking people months to find decent work." He said that the 40-your week and overtime pay "are the legacy of some of the greatest uprisings of workers in our history to demand that they be treated with respect." Union officials say that if employers no longer have to pay extra for overtime, they will demand longer hours from their workers without compensation. lincoln "Four score and seven years ago, I had a better sig" [link\|http://users3.ev1.net/~bconnors/resume.htm\|VB/SQL resume] [link\|http://users3.ev1.net/~bconnors/tandem_resume.htm\|Tandem resume] [link\|mailto:bconnors@ev1.net\|contact me]
Post #110,606 by Ashton 7/20/03 9:51:19 PM Reply	Then and now: Chaplin summarized it well, in 'Modern Times'. Constant Vigilance: the bugaboo of the decreasing attention span + daily language murder. There's always hope that a few folks will awaken from this now very long slumber[?] Ashton zzzzz-Zzz - - WHA?
Post #110,662 by bluke 7/21/03 7:41:37 AM Reply	I have never worked in a job where I got overtime From the day I finished school and I started work as a junior programmer at IBM I have always been classified management and never received overtime. Calling me management was (and still is) a joke, but that is how I got paid, no overtime. Given that, I find it hard to be sympathetic.
Post #110,668 by jake123 7/21/03 8:38:44 AM Reply	You should be sympathetic not to mention pissed. Haven't you noticed that you're being exploited? Why on earth would you want that kind of exploitation be extended to other people? --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #110,853 by bluke 7/22/03 9:17:53 AM Reply	Truthfully I haven't felt exploited about working hours. The only time I felt exploited was when I worked for a consulting firm (who paid me well) and I found out the rate that they were charging the customer for my time (a lot more then double what they paid me)
Post #111,038 by jake123 7/22/03 11:48:53 PM Reply	Just because you don't feel exploited doesn't mean you haven't been. In fact, charging a client more than double per hour than they pay you is a lot less exploitative than not paying overtime, imho. They arranged the gig, they have overhead, and they're taking their piece. There's nothing stopping you from looking for that work on your own. However, taking a nine-to-fiver, and turning it into a nine-to-seven-or-eighter every day and not paying appropriately for completely dominating your life like that... that's just no good at all. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #110,664 by andread 7/21/03 7:49:41 AM Reply	look at the House vote passed by a 3 vote margin with 12 not voting do you think that the millions 'represented' by those 12 demanded them not to vote? I first noticed this phenomenon when Reagan's economic planner wrote his book It included only one vote and the margin of passage was less than the number not voting this is a frequent thing on controversial issues A Play I Some Music w/ Papa Andy Saturday 8 PM - 11 PM ET All Night Rewind 11 PM - 5 PM Reggae, African and Caribbean Music [link\|http://wxxe.org\|Tune In]

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