I shall redeem myself in your own style, marlowe

You suck. Pttttthb! =P

Now back to my own style, how about you admitting that:

Terrorists who are not members of al Qaeda are not members of the al Qaeda organization

Other people's positions are not necessarily my own

Bush claimed Saddam was building nukes, Cheney said Saddam had already "reconstituted" nukes, and we have so far found no evidence of nuke production or ownership in Iraq

The "war on terror" is not truly a war against terrorism or else Bush would have gone after the low-hanging fruit of Kahanists in Brooklyn and the IRA supporters in Boston, not to mention have had his father strung up and shot on the first day, and would not have sucked up to Yasser Arafat for the first year and a half of the "war on terror" or protected Qaeda-allied Chechen terrorists in Georgia

If the war in Iraq has nothing to do with WMDs and is just about Saddam being an evil dictator who massacred his own people, Bush should be removed from office for gross incompetence and mismanagement of military resources in occupying such a large part of the army in a campaign that only minimally effects the US's strategic interests while North Korea is building nukes for use against the United States and its allies

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Why.. marlowe feels the pain of the suffering ones everywhere in the world - regardless of race, creed, color or political opinion. Compassion is his middle-name. I know this because he's said so! (And I'm sure he's really sorry about Duvallier, Pinochet, Montt, Marcos, Pahlavi, Pol Pot, Rius, Abacha, Mobutu, Botha and those other fellows we supported so's they could represent our interests and all).

Well, OK - scratch that last part: if it isn't the same political opinion as those nice folks he worships, who are arranging for a Rilly-American Century or Two\ufffd, then the fucking raghead can boil in [oil] until s/he says Uncle (Sam). Seems fair enough. Who else is the very model of a perfectly harmonious society, with liberty and justice for all?

But since he possesses that which we mere local observers can never achieve - the Certainty of his Moral Righteousness, encrypted direct from the Top - we'll just have to go along with his program.. or miss that boat which is supposed to be sailing without us.

Which also seems fair enough. I prefer the train or ox-cart, and there are some you just wouldn't want to travel with whatever the mode, even if they paid you off too, (maybe even more than the Turks and Spain?)

Post #108,661 by tangaroa 7/8/03 2:05:59 AM Reply	I shall redeem myself in your own style, marlowe You suck. Pttttthb! =P Now back to my own style, how about you admitting that: Terrorists who are not members of al Qaeda are not members of the al Qaeda organization Other people's positions are not necessarily my own Bush claimed Saddam was building nukes, Cheney said Saddam had already "reconstituted" nukes, and we have so far found no evidence of nuke production or ownership in Iraq The "war on terror" is not truly a war against terrorism or else Bush would have gone after the low-hanging fruit of Kahanists in Brooklyn and the IRA supporters in Boston, not to mention have had his father strung up and shot on the first day, and would not have sucked up to Yasser Arafat for the first year and a half of the "war on terror" or protected Qaeda-allied Chechen terrorists in Georgia If the war in Iraq has nothing to do with WMDs and is just about Saddam being an evil dictator who massacred his own people, Bush should be removed from office for gross incompetence and mismanagement of military resources in occupying such a large part of the army in a campaign that only minimally effects the US's strategic interests while North Korea is building nukes for use against the United States and its allies
Post #108,841 by marlowe 7/9/03 12:27:20 PM Reply	You have one day left to begin offering documented facts... and to stop throwing up illogic, paranoia and cheap abuse. ---------------------------------------------------------------- DEAL WITH IT. Never mind all the mass graves. Where's the nerve gas? I helped depose Saddam. Did you? When the facts speak for themselves, only a fool insists on having a debate. The future is leaving the station, the US is at the throttle, and the Left isn't on board. [link\|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html\|http://www.angelfire...arlowe/index.html]
Post #108,855 by jake123 7/9/03 1:17:48 PM Reply	Or what? If you're going to make threats, it helps to mention the punishment if compliance is not achieved. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #108,861 by bepatient 7/9/03 1:37:44 PM Reply	Spoken like a true parent :) If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. _{Fudd's First Law of Opposition} [link\|mailto:bepatient@aol.com\|BePatient]
Post #108,867 by jake123 7/9/03 2:19:24 PM Reply	Heh Nothing like having kids to get a solid grasp on the threaten/bribe model of behaviour modification. Still, if Marlowe is going to threaten people, he should mention the penalty, or else he just comes off as a blowhard know-naught. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #108,904 by inthane-chan 7/9/03 3:54:21 PM Reply	And that would be different how?
Post #108,986 by jake123 7/10/03 10:14:23 AM Reply	Why don't we see if Marlowe can answer that question? --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #108,994 by jbrabeck 7/10/03 10:42:56 AM Reply	IIRC, he's NEVER answered a direct question. When they took the Fourth Amendment, I was quiet because I didn't deal drugs. When they took the Fifth Amendment, I was quiet because I was innocent. When they took the Second Amendment, I was quiet because I didn't own a gun. Now they've taken the First Amendment, and I can't say anything about it.
Post #108,996 by jake123 7/10/03 11:11:04 AM Reply	Which pretty much shows how much credence one should lend his positions`^w`threats`^w`cheap whines. imho, of course. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #109,034 by jbrabeck 7/10/03 1:35:25 PM Reply	Don't you mean cheep whines? As in birdlike or birdbrained? Of course cheap whine goes good with cheap cheese and crackers. When they took the Fourth Amendment, I was quiet because I didn't deal drugs. When they took the Fifth Amendment, I was quiet because I was innocent. When they took the Second Amendment, I was quiet because I didn't own a gun. Now they've taken the First Amendment, and I can't say anything about it.
Post #109,176 by Ashton 7/11/03 4:19:53 AM Reply	Unfair. Why.. marlowe feels the pain of the suffering ones everywhere in the world - regardless of race, creed, color or political opinion. Compassion is his middle-name. I know this because he's said so! (And I'm sure he's really sorry about Duvallier, Pinochet, Montt, Marcos, Pahlavi, Pol Pot, Rius, Abacha, Mobutu, Botha and those other fellows we supported so's they could represent our interests and all). Well, OK - scratch that last part: if it isn't the same political opinion as those nice folks he worships, who are arranging for a Rilly-American Century or Two\ufffd, then the fucking raghead can boil in [oil] until s/he says Uncle (Sam). Seems fair enough. Who else is the very model of a perfectly harmonious society, with liberty and justice for all? But since he possesses that which we mere local observers can never achieve - the Certainty of his Moral Righteousness, encrypted direct from the Top - we'll just have to go along with his program.. or miss that boat which is supposed to be sailing without us. Which also seems fair enough. I prefer the train or ox-cart, and there are some you just wouldn't want to travel with whatever the mode, even if they paid you off too, (maybe even more than the Turks and Spain?) Coalition of the Willful and Well-paid - nice ring, hasn't it?

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