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Had to contact the company in Oklahoma City by close of business yesterday, since they wanted an answer either way. Called at 2 PM and gave them a 'YES'. One hour later I received a call back from the HR person at the firm in Columbus to discuss how I still wanted the time to bring my wife out to see the town, and was the offer still on the table? She said "yes, but the managers are getting antsy; they want you here yesterday". Told her that I had made arrangements to fly out this weekend and tour the town with a realtor, and would give her a final answer upon our return. She said that that was acceptable, and hoped we would look favorably upon the town to give her a 'YES' answer to their offer.

Worst case is either wife hates the town, so I go to Oklahoma City, or she finds it acceptable and I tell the guys in OK City to match the offer from the people in Columbus or I'll rescind my acceptance. Since the guys in OK City have already stated that the salary was non-negotiable, that the relo package's expiration date was firm, and that other things also were unchangeable, we'll just have to see.
lincoln
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New "either wife"?
Blimey. No wonder you look tired.


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New The "Tongue Troopers" strike again! ;-)
I know what I meant to say and I did say it, but it IS a little tough to grasp at first.
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New Bad call

Accepting multiple offers, then turning one down, is IMO poor form. Though it's not likely to catch up with you, it leaves a bad taste in the mouth for the firm you later turn down. They may be telling other recruits they've filled the position, retract ads, etc.

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Better to say, "I'm considering another offer as well and am awaiting information to choose the better offer". That's when you find out how serious either firm is. It's also a good response to the "rush to decision" mentality many shops try to push on you.

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New I don't agree.
Since it is not considered unethical for a company to escort you out the door in a fairly short instant after they hand you the pink slip, why should it be unethical for an individual to change their minds - especially since no signing bonus was agreed to and no dollars have yet changed hands.
New Perhaps
but as ChrisR said after your post, no money has changed hands yet, so I not beholden to anybody just yet.

Besides, OK City knew that another offer was on the table and that the salary offered was above theirs; yet they chose to remain firm and not counter at all. On top of it, they have refused to bend on the 6 month expiration date for the relo package, offered no signing bonus or cash towards temporary living expenses, and have admitted that their annual reviews are running 2 - 3 months behind schedule. They pushed for a fast answer to their offer, not leaving me time to investigate any other options, let alone barely enough time to see their city in person.

I had to give a quick response to the OK City firm, otherwise the offer would have been pulled off the table. That would have left me with the choice of taking the job in Georgia or staying unemployed. Didn't want to risk the loss of my options, so I said yes to OK City while I check out the other place. Since my wife works, she can't just take a few days off and zoom around the country with me to check out potential cities. Again, I'm leaning towards the company in GA but towards the town of OK City (smaller versus larger).

However, my instincts have been proven wrong before, so any sense that the company in GA will be more relaxed, less stressful, etc., could be nothing more than wishful thinking. Simply put, if my wife thinks the town sucks, then I politely turn them down and go with OK City. If she says that she can tolerate it for a year or two, then we'll discuss it and reach a final decision.


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They may be telling other recruits they've filled the position, retract ads, etc.

I've had firms in the past contact me, saying that their "first choice changed his or her mind and was I still interested"? They're not out any money other than what they have already spent to bring in candidates from around the country before me.

If I have to go back to them and say "I received another offer that beats yours by A, B and C", I'm pretty sure that they'll continue to act like they're in the driver's seat and give me a "take it or leave it" ultimatum and make no changes to their total package. I believe that once you take a cut in pay, you're forever playing catch-up IMHO, and I don't foresee the economy improving in the next few years so that I can make up the cut from my last salary to where they want me to start by jumping to another company. And anybody who thinks that OK City is a cheap town to live in hasn't seen what's available through realtor.com; it has homes starting at $100 - $110 per sq ft, no formal living rooms, tiny bedrooms, no basements for tornado protection, no gamerooms for the kids, etc. The houses I've built or purchased in Texas were much bigger, better trimmed out, and for way less dollars per sq ft., so I guess that I got spoiled down here.
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New I think you're a "blessed"man to have two offers....
at nearly the same time. I've only had that happen two other times in my life, both in hot labor markets.

You're a blessed man to have two job offers in an economy like this.

Do the evaluation sheets, find out as much as you can. Get your wife to visit GA. Heed her advice, you two are together for a reason. Don't look at "new" homes, maybe a good used home until you're settled into the new job for a year or two, then upgrade. There should be decent rental homes available, too.

Don't forget the prayer part, and be satisfied with your decision. Once you decide, don't go back on it.

That's my "bad" side, sometimes I still wish I could go back to the "old" employer, then my wife reminds of how truly unhappy I was there. God is blessing me and I've got more time and can meet with friends at lunch now. Another hour every day should be "Gold"!

Commute down from 1 hour to 30 min each way.

Some employees at the "old" company wanted to work a deal with the owner to get me to come back, but the owner has made it clear that he wants be back at 20K a year less than I was making, previously. So he doesn't really want me back.

I still have their laptop, still have access to my email account, and occasionally answer questions and solve problems for them. I get to bill a few hours a month for them.

So, I guess I'll keep that channel open, for now. There's an anger there, that would turn me into his competitor, if I weren't a Bible believ'in man.

If you have a job right now, at all, at anything close to "market wages", then you're really blessed in the lousy economy right now.

We really have to reconsider our arrogance, both individually and as a country. If we'll repent, the maybe God will bless us again.

"The sleep of a laborer is sweet,
whether he eats little or much,
but the abundance of a rich man
permits him no sleep." Ecclesiates 5:12

Lord, let me learn to work hard, sleep well, and leave the rest up to you.



Glen Austin
New Agree in principle
..and personally, I've always done that. But, given the shitbum behavior of corps to warm corpuses, I'm with Linc.
-drl
     Now WTF do I do - (lincoln) - (24)
         Take Columbus - (deSitter)
         Georgia, Georgia, Georgia - (boxley)
         No question. - (Silverlock) - (1)
             OKC annual snowfall = 6 inches - (deSitter)
         Pray and Make the Best Decision you can... - (gdaustin) - (7)
             What Glen said. -NT - (folkert)
             Been doing the list all afternoon - (lincoln) - (5)
                 You must decide... - (gdaustin) - (4)
                     Never mind... - (gdaustin)
                     Looking at the industry - (lincoln) - (2)
                         Re: Looking at the industry - (deSitter) - (1)
                             A third. - (pwhysall)
         Don't rush a decision - (kmself) - (2)
             Echoes my thoughts as well. - (a6l6e6x)
             Actually... - (gdaustin)
         You've already made your choice. - (broomberg)
         Latest scoop - (lincoln) - (7)
             "either wife"? - (pwhysall) - (1)
                 The "Tongue Troopers" strike again! ;-) - (lincoln)
             Bad call - (kmself) - (4)
                 I don't agree. - (ChrisR)
                 Perhaps - (lincoln) - (1)
                     I think you're a "blessed"man to have two offers.... - (gdaustin)
                 Agree in principle - (deSitter)

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