Need alternatives to ASP/IIS/W2K

Post #10,407 by bbronson 9/24/01 4:51:00 PM Reply	Need alternatives to ASP/IIS/W2K My company is building a web application using XML, VBScript ASP and IIS on W2K servers. I would like some alternatives to present for when (not if!) the M$ house of cards crashes. If I had a reasonably easy way to convert the existing application to something non-M$, I'd be ecstatic (and, sitting quite pretty as the proven only voice of reason in the company). I know of JSP and Apache, but I'm not sure on their capabilities or supported platforms. Of course, a perfect answer would be Program XYZ automatically converts ASP to fully functional JSP, allowing the application to run on Web Server PQR which runs on OS's A, B, C and D. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Brian Bronson
Post #10,417 by drewk 9/24/01 5:17:19 PM Reply	Why, Linux of course [link\|http://asp2php.com\|http://asp2php.com] We have to fight the terrorists as if there were no rules and preserve our open society as if there were no terrorists. -- [link\|http://www.nytimes.com/2001/04/05/opinion/BIO-FRIEDMAN.html\|Thomas Friedman]
Post #10,433 by admin 9/24/01 6:24:08 PM Reply	Re: Need alternatives to ASP/IIS/W2K ChiliSoft has a Linux ASP engine. Supposed to be seamless. Regards, -scott anderson
Post #10,463 by tablizer 9/25/01 3:22:16 AM Reply	XML? What do people ACTUALLY use XML for in that company? It is a wondering technology looking for a real use. ________________ oop.ismad.com
Post #10,774 by bbronson 9/28/01 10:19:29 AM Reply	One word: integration It's being used as the "lingua franca" (sp?) of data transfer between our CRM package and other packages. Using it with our web-based application allows fairly simple integration with other systems at the individual screen level. Brian Bronson
Post #11,828 by tablizer 10/4/01 7:59:02 PM Reply	Replacement for comma-delimited files more or less? Did comma-delimited files get so much attention when they first came out? ________________ oop.ismad.com
Post #10,501 by tseliot 9/26/01 5:06:38 AM Reply	J2EE, but don't bet on an easy road If I had a reasonably easy way to convert the existing application to something non-M$, I'd be ecstatic (and, sitting quite pretty as the proven only voice of reason in the company). J2EE is where I personally am pushing, but let "the voice of experience" tell you to get buy-in BEFORE you preach. You need to convince the higher-ups that your new idea is wonderful, yes, but before that you need to sell the concept that there might be an alternative. IOW, you will never see all the dross magically fall away revealing you as you always were: reasonable, intelligent, visionary. You need to out-sell the opposition just to have the privilege of an audience, THEN you can sell the change. I know of JSP and Apache, but I'm not sure on their capabilities or supported platforms. Of course, a perfect answer would be Program XYZ automatically converts ASP to fully functional JSP, allowing the application to run on Web Server PQR which runs on OS's A, B, C and D. Don't forget (with Java, anyway) to say Programs X, Y and Z and Web Servers P, Q and R. Get it in terms an MBA can understand: Interchangeability is a key point, not in object-oriented programming, but in change management. etc. Other J2EE points: Works with all major databases. Works with all major web servers. Works with all major operating systems. XML and Java were "made for each other"; Sun's Jon Bosak is chair of XML Working Group. UML and Java were "made for each other". CORBA and Java were "made for each other". ~80% of all colleges teach Java; half of those require it. ASP is nowhere close to Java's OO, and ASP.NET will be years behind. Error handling is required. Specs, dev tools, and many deployment tools are free. Most common components already built and free. Built-in web server features (servlets). Built-in security features. Memory is handled for you (garbage collection). Attracts smarter developers :) Documentation is auto-built using Javadoc. Big-name users: Wal-Mart (Fortune #2) Charles Schwab & Co., Inc. United Airlines Knight-Ridder News TIAA-CREF Citibank Nextel Verizon (Fortune #10) United Parcel Service NEC Wells Fargo Nortel Networks NTT DoCoMo NASA, incl. Mars missions and Hubble Boeing (Fortune #15) Delta Air Lines Home Depot Xerox United States Postal Service That should get you started. :) That's her, officer! That's the woman that programmed me for evil!

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