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Post #100,018 by tuberculosis 5/2/03 7:42:18 PM 8/21/07 6:25:18 AM Reply	Hey I know Java enough to hate it in the special way only an intimate can. ;-) Good post. The thing that I really hate about Smalltalk ,though, is the fact that every time I wish C++ or Java did something differently it turns out that Smalltalk does it the way I want it to. I've never even used Smalltalk on a real project. I just learned it so that I could read source code, now I keep running into things that would be easier if I were using it. It's really annoying.--Phil Goodwin Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:25:18 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #100,020 by admin 5/2/03 7:46:45 PM Reply	Whoops, forgot that one. I wondered what that sloppy feeling was I get from using Java... ;-) Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #100,036 by tuberculosis 5/2/03 9:33:05 PM 8/21/07 6:25:43 AM Reply	I always sit on a towel when using it helps minimize the accidents when reading the api specs. Java's primary roots are out of the C++ world. From that standpoint, Java is a big step up. It's a cleaner, object-oriented language. And the benefits of a Virtual Machine on every platform are obvious. But I came to Java from a different world of programming, the Smalltalk world. For people who program in Smalltalk, Java is a 30-year step back. Smalltalk is what made object-oriented programming real. It had a mature class library and culture from the day it was released, whereas the C++ world just kind of happened. Its class library still isn\ufffdt stable. The result for me is that Java is an absolute requirement in today\ufffds software world, but sometimes it hurts me to use it. --Steven T. Abell, formerly Java Technology evangelist at Netscape Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:25:43 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #100,038 by admin 5/2/03 9:40:13 PM Reply	Interesting... I find I get more use out of... ... an air sickness bag. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."

C++ File I/O: Windows vs. Linux - (tjsinclair) - (85) - April 23, 2003, 12:50:26 AM EDT

Wild guess - (JayMehaffey) - (1) - April 23, 2003, 01:39:26 AM EDT

Nope - (tjsinclair) - April 23, 2003, 01:57:23 AM EDT

Permissions problem? - (tuberculosis) - (16) - April 23, 2003, 02:03:13 AM EDT

Possibly - (tjsinclair) - (15) - April 23, 2003, 09:16:35 AM EDT

The only dumb question is... - (jbrabeck) - (14) - April 23, 2003, 09:41:05 AM EDT

Thanks - (tjsinclair) - (13) - April 23, 2003, 09:57:18 AM EDT

I'd second the permissions... - (jbrabeck) - (12) - April 23, 2003, 10:04:41 AM EDT

Played with error bits - (tjsinclair) - (11) - April 23, 2003, 10:20:42 AM EDT

C++ for real work - (tuberculosis) - (10) - April 23, 2003, 12:53:07 PM EDT

telco's use lots of c++ -NT - (boxley) - (7) - April 23, 2003, 01:21:19 PM EDT

on UNIX? - (tjsinclair) - (6) - April 23, 2003, 01:51:47 PM EDT

well several softswitches and other software (added link) - (boxley) - (2) - April 23, 2003, 07:40:08 PM EDT

Yeah - OS level code I think - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Aug. 21, 2007, 05:40:10 AM EDT

Stacked based types? - (deSitter) - April 23, 2003, 11:22:58 PM EDT

some more info on c++ Unix and Telcos and jobs - (boxley) - (2) - April 24, 2003, 01:26:19 PM EDT

CORBA == Objects, so makes sense - (tjsinclair) - April 24, 2003, 04:14:39 PM EDT

Resume mailed -NT - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 21, 2007, 05:47:21 AM EDT

Someone somewhere must be using it - (tjsinclair) - April 23, 2003, 01:49:28 PM EDT

Network Management software - (Arkadiy) - April 24, 2003, 03:18:49 PM EDT

I don't know C++ but... - (ben_tilly) - (6) - April 23, 2003, 06:54:46 AM EDT

Seems like it ought to raise an exception on failure -NT - (tuberculosis) - (5) - April 23, 2003, 12:55:01 PM EDT

It does - (tjsinclair) - (4) - April 23, 2003, 01:51:03 PM EDT

Erroring out? - (tuberculosis) - (3) - Aug. 21, 2007, 05:40:03 AM EDT

I checked the ios error flags - (tjsinclair) - (2) - April 23, 2003, 04:14:13 PM EDT

Thats not raising an exception - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Aug. 21, 2007, 05:40:22 AM EDT

Agreed - (tjsinclair) - April 23, 2003, 04:34:47 PM EDT

Got it! - (tjsinclair) - (58) - April 23, 2003, 10:29:50 AM EDT

Now, this is really scary - (Arkadiy) - (53) - April 24, 2003, 03:36:51 PM EDT

Even scarier - (tjsinclair) - (52) - April 24, 2003, 04:16:21 PM EDT

At this point, one wants to,, - (deSitter) - (3) - April 24, 2003, 05:06:14 PM EDT

Ross, do we need a refresher... - (jb4) - (2) - April 28, 2003, 06:18:53 PM EDT

I would completely agree with you except - (tjsinclair) - (1) - April 28, 2003, 10:17:18 PM EDT

Wow! - (jb4) - April 29, 2003, 01:14:14 PM EDT

Which version of gcc? - (admin) - April 24, 2003, 05:14:30 PM EDT

So, let me get this straight... - (Arkadiy) - (46) - April 24, 2003, 05:25:12 PM EDT

Something like that, yes - (tjsinclair) - (44) - April 25, 2003, 01:57:53 AM EDT

I've been trying to do that for years - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 21, 2007, 05:47:23 AM EDT

Barney is not responsible... - (jb4) - (42) - April 28, 2003, 06:22:39 PM EDT

Move farther up the food chain - (tuberculosis) - (41) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:14:23 AM EDT

OK, I'll bite... - (jb4) - (39) - May 2, 2003, 10:11:02 AM EDT

Errr... - (admin) - (34) - May 2, 2003, 10:40:54 AM EDT

I've heard strong typing called several different things... - (jb4) - (33) - May 2, 2003, 04:43:33 PM EDT

Strict typing is like training wheels. - (admin) - (32) - May 2, 2003, 05:00:44 PM EDT

Re: Strict typing is like training wheels. Or Helmuts? - (jb4) - (31) - May 2, 2003, 05:43:56 PM EDT

You have much to learn - (tuberculosis) - (23) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:25:06 AM EDT

Irony - (ben_tilly) - (22) - May 3, 2003, 11:06:01 AM EDT

Additionally... - (admin) - (21) - May 3, 2003, 12:47:45 PM EDT

That's the C++ propaganda - (tuberculosis) - (20) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:28:02 AM EDT

Wrong usage - (Arkadiy) - (7) - May 5, 2003, 02:48:10 PM EDT

Return value problem - (tuberculosis) - (6) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:33:56 AM EDT

I'll take a look for the solution for ret value - (Arkadiy) - May 5, 2003, 07:30:55 PM EDT

Re: Return value problem - (deSitter) - (4) - May 5, 2003, 10:19:41 PM EDT

In the end - (Arkadiy) - (3) - May 6, 2003, 09:17:21 AM EDT

A better statically typed language - have you tried Haskell? -NT - (ben_tilly) - (1) - May 7, 2003, 05:13:57 AM EDT

Read the tutorials - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 21, 2007, 12:41:27 PM EDT

Today's link at /. - (Arkadiy) - May 8, 2003, 07:32:39 PM EDT

Interesting example, Todd - (jb4) - (11) - May 6, 2003, 05:26:41 PM EDT

Umm... - (Simon_Jester) - (5) - May 6, 2003, 02:15:24 PM EDT

And what would you cast the void* back to afterwards? -NT - (tuberculosis) - (4) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:38:46 AM EDT

Yeah, you'd have to test for the type... - (Simon_Jester) - (3) - May 6, 2003, 06:47:54 PM EDT

Aaaaaahhhhhhh! - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:39:11 AM EDT

*chuckle* - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - May 6, 2003, 09:46:44 PM EDT

Oh, you illustrated several problems - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:39:47 AM EDT

Your code should crash - (tuberculosis) - (4) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:38:33 AM EDT

My code does crash, but not as often as you think. - (jb4) - (3) - May 6, 2003, 06:01:00 PM EDT

Re: My code does crash, but not as often as you think. - (admin) - (1) - May 6, 2003, 06:04:08 PM EDT

Replies coming - (jb4) - May 7, 2003, 06:57:16 PM EDT

Re: My code does crash, but not as often as you think. - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:39:07 AM EDT

Finally, something other than hand-waving. - (admin) - (6) - May 2, 2003, 07:51:43 PM EDT

Hey I know Java - (tuberculosis) - (3) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:25:18 AM EDT

Whoops, forgot that one. - (admin) - (2) - May 2, 2003, 07:46:45 PM EDT

I always sit on a towel when using it - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:25:43 AM EDT

Interesting... I find I get more use out of... - (admin) - May 2, 2003, 09:40:13 PM EDT

I've done it - (Arkadiy) - (1) - May 5, 2003, 03:03:42 PM EDT

Re: I've done it - (admin) - May 6, 2003, 02:36:03 PM EDT

How? - (tuberculosis) - (3) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:23:01 AM EDT

Erm? - (jb4) - (2) - May 6, 2003, 01:30:58 PM EDT

GNU CPP version 2.95.2 19991024 (release) -NT - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:38:43 AM EDT

Sorry to hear that...:-( - (jb4) - May 6, 2003, 06:02:41 PM EDT

Well said, exactly correct -NT - (deSitter) - May 2, 2003, 10:59:37 AM EDT

This is frigging runtime lib bug, not language - (Arkadiy) - April 25, 2003, 01:02:52 PM EDT

You were mis-using the flags... - (Simon_Jester) - (3) - April 25, 2003, 03:05:57 PM EDT

I thought of that - (tjsinclair) - (2) - April 25, 2003, 04:25:46 PM EDT

For what it's worth, code also runs... - (a6l6e6x) - (1) - April 25, 2003, 04:47:48 PM EDT

Figured that -NT - (tjsinclair) - April 25, 2003, 06:27:33 PM EDT

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