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     For Java people, evaluate Hibernate? - (ben_tilly) - (8)
         A lot of them... - (Simon_Jester)
         On the usefulness of O-R mappers: - (admin) - (6)
             Agreement - (Simon_Jester) - (1)
                 Heck, we even generate the HTML in the database :-P - (admin)
             You could spend $700 - (tuberculosis) - (3)
                 CRUD and OR - (admin) - (2)
                     XML, Struts and other - now OT - (Simon_Jester) - (1)
                         Don't forget XDoclet (for JBoss, Struts, Hibernate, etc.) -NT - (dshellman)
     Speaking of EJBs... - (admin) - (7)
         experience...um.... - (slugbug) - (3)
             What kind of EJBs? - (admin) - (1)
                 Re: What kind of EJBs? - (slugbug)
             8 Seconds!?! - (gdaustin)
         They're not Scottish - (tuberculosis) - (2)
             Re: They're not Scottish - (admin) - (1)
                 Sounds like JDBC/JTA is all you need. - (tuberculosis)
     Books for teaching OO - (admin) - (11)
         No ideas on Java - (ChrisR) - (3)
             That's what I'm trying to avoid. - (admin)
             Meyer - (tablizer) - (1)
                 Very Academic... - (gdaustin)
         Possibility... - (Yendor)
         Re: Books for teaching OO - (systems)
         Used Deitel and Deitel books.... - (gdaustin) - (1)
             Second on Deitel - (tjsinclair)
         Well? Scott? - (gdaustin) - (2)
             Still looking them over. - (admin) - (1)
                 Found Deitel 4th Edition at Half Price Books for $29.99 - (gdaustin)
     Are specialized application servers a good idea? - (ben_tilly) - (18)
         Only comment would be on a comment - (FuManChu) - (1)
             Down that path lies madness - (ben_tilly)
         Re: Are specialized application servers a good idea? - (dshellman) - (1)
             It wasn't meant to be insightful - (ben_tilly)
         I think they are used incorrectly - (tuberculosis) - (2)
             Agree on most points.... - (gdaustin) - (1)
                 RE: OO Web Tool - (tuberculosis)
         Re: Are specialized application servers a good idea? - (slugbug) - (9)
             Speaking of EJBs... (new thread) - (admin)
             That makes sense - (ben_tilly) - (7)
                 Database was... - (kmself) - (6)
                     Um, you have his name way wrong - (ben_tilly) - (5)
                         Wups, fixed. DB... - (kmself)
                         i.e, Jordan, not Tolkien. But, hey, it's easy... - (CRConrad) - (3)
                             True, but Perrin is his real name -NT - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                                 Really? Kewl! First or last? - (CRConrad) - (1)
                                     First -NT - (ben_tilly)
         from a support point of view - (boxley)
     Re: toys, toys, toys... - (admin) - (3)
         Re: toys, toys, toys... - (deSitter)
         J2EE Clustering... - (slugbug)
         Re: toys, toys, toys... - (dshellman)
     multithreaded Perl? - (slugbug) - (36)
         What the?? - (deSitter) - (14)
             multi-instance... - (slugbug) - (8)
                 If this is a Unixy system, definitely go with fork() - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                     Yes... - (slugbug)
                 Re: multi-instance... - (deSitter) - (5)
                     Er... - (admin) - (1)
                         DAMMIT! I WANT TOYS! -NT - (deSitter)
                     toys, toys, toys... - (slugbug) - (2)
                         Re: toys, toys, toys... - (deSitter)
                         Re: toys, toys, toys... (new thread) - (admin)
             Re: What the?? - (jb4) - (4)
                 That's 4GB of angle brackets alone! -NT - (deSitter) - (2)
                     Don't laugh... - (admin)
                     Yes, the developers of LISP would be proud... -NT - (jb4)
                 nope.... - (slugbug)
         Possible, but I wouldn't - (ben_tilly) - (15)
             Ben, thank you.... - (slugbug) - (14)
                 No problem - (ben_tilly) - (13)
                     Re: No problem - (deSitter) - (2)
                         The more you can do, the more they ask you to do - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                             Absolutely. - (admin)
                     this is an... - (slugbug)
                     So, Perl assumes POSIX compliance in the OS, eh? - (jb4) - (6)
                         No - (ben_tilly) - (5)
                             Interesting, but looks like a bit of a kluge - (jb4) - (4)
                                 It is a kludge - (ben_tilly) - (3)
                                     Re: It is a kludge - (deSitter) - (2)
                                         One of those things was Perl ;-) -NT - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                                             Don't I know! - (deSitter)
                     Query: I've played a (small) amount with the multithreading - (Simon_Jester) - (1)
                         That scheduler optimization is pretty recent IIRC -NT - (ben_tilly)
         More info please - (broomberg) - (4)
             Geez. 1 day late and nothin! -NT - (broomberg)
             1 day late and.... - (slugbug) - (2)
                 IFS? - (broomberg) - (1)
                     Re: IFS? - (slugbug)
     cat(1) in 60 seconds - (pwhysall) - (2)
         My favorite implementation of cat remains... - (ben_tilly) - (1)
             That was hard... - (kmself)
     Communication between two servers. - (admin) - (39)
         SOAP - (ChrisR) - (8)
             Right, that's what I'm trying to avoid. - (admin) - (1)
                 Welcome to my life -NT - (drewk)
             Stupid Object Asskiss Protocol -NT - (tuberculosis) - (5)
                 SOAP is one those decent ideas... - (ChrisR) - (4)
                     A decent idea? - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                         Valid complaint - (ChrisR)
                         In fairness, - (Arkadiy)
                     No, she's a dog - (tuberculosis)
         Quick alphabet soup translation: - (jb4) - (2)
             Java Messaging Service - (admin) - (1)
                 Danke -NT - (jb4)
         roll own xinted service? - (deSitter)
         Just remember--anything manual can be automated - (FuManChu) - (5)
             Well, that's what I meant. - (admin)
             I lean towards sockets as well - (tjsinclair) - (3)
                 Remember there's C++ on the other end. - (admin) - (2)
                     Name one: - (folkert) - (1)
                         I'm guessing the answer will be: - (admin)
         4. CORBA connection but same objection as JMS Go with socket -NT - (boxley)
         My Gut reaction tells me: - (folkert) - (9)
             We have plenty of socket servers here already. - (admin) - (8)
                 Sockets can stream, http does not, its connectionless - (boxley) - (1)
                     HTTP 1.1 supports pipelining, FYI. -NT - (admin)
                 YALOP - (folkert) - (1)
                     Agreed - (deSitter)
                 Why not HTTP? - (tablizer) - (3)
                     Read the problem description. - (admin) - (2)
                         You didn't qualify "too much overhead" - (tablizer) - (1)
                             Packet overhead doesn't matter. - (admin)
         DECNet Mailboxes. - (pwhysall) - (2)
             AHHH! NO!!! - (deSitter) - (1)
                 Silence, heretic. - (pwhysall)
         Socket to me - (tuberculosis) - (4)
             Why the daemon: - (admin) - (3)
                 Not an answer then, but a plan of attack :) - (FuManChu) - (2)
                     Complicated political situation. - (admin) - (1)
                         You mean you're not king? - (tuberculosis)
         Tuxedo/Java Jolt? - (gdaustin)
     Grumble again - (deSitter) - (3)
         Code seems to be outdated - (scoenye) - (2)
             Re: Code seems to be outdated - (deSitter) - (1)
                 ISO C99 violation - (scoenye)
     Dealing with a lookup table - (deSitter) - (12)
         Probably 1...but - (Simon_Jester)
         Why is simultaneous access a problem? -NT - (static)
         I echo the question of the other respondents: - (jb4) - (1)
             Re: I echo the question of the other respondents: - (deSitter)
         I vote for option 4 - (tuberculosis) - (2)
             Re: I vote for option 4 - (deSitter) - (1)
                 Split the two functions - (boxley)
         Dammit, use relational tables - (tablizer) - (4)
             Again, read the problem description. - (admin) - (3)
                 not clear on environment of this thing - (tablizer) - (2)
                     Re: not clear on environment of this thing - (deSitter) - (1)
                         You'll have to wait 4500 yrs to know if you did it right :-) -NT - (tablizer)
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