(new) Theory and Practice of Programming

Graphing in Javascript using Canvas Tag - (tuberculosis) - (82) - Dec. 15, 2005, 09:06:52 PM EST

Nifty, but next to useless, unfortunately. - (admin) - (8) - Dec. 15, 2005, 10:16:45 PM EST

Only if you're supporting broken browsers - (tuberculosis) - (7) - Dec. 16, 2005, 01:33:27 AM EST

Er... - (admin) - (6) - Dec. 16, 2005, 07:13:18 AM EST

Yes, this is a toy - (tuberculosis) - (5) - Dec. 16, 2005, 11:05:56 AM EST

What about SVG? - (ChrisR) - (4) - Dec. 16, 2005, 11:23:05 AM EST

Its dead, Jim. - (tuberculosis) - (3) - Dec. 16, 2005, 12:08:00 PM EST

It's dead on the web. - (pwhysall) - Dec. 16, 2005, 11:53:40 AM EST

Standardization process is broken - (JayMehaffey) - (1) - Dec. 16, 2005, 12:17:52 PM EST

Have you ever served on standards committee? - (tuberculosis) - Dec. 16, 2005, 03:05:40 PM EST

And it crashes older browsers.... - (Simon_Jester) - (72) - Dec. 20, 2005, 09:22:17 AM EST

Cool! Makes you wanna upgrade! - (tuberculosis) - (71) - Dec. 20, 2005, 12:42:08 PM EST

No. Makes me think the web designer is a jackass. -NT - (ben_tilly) - (69) - Dec. 20, 2005, 12:43:38 PM EST

If a browser crashes - its not the designer's fault - (tuberculosis) - (68) - Dec. 20, 2005, 12:49:46 PM EST

Strongly disagree - (ben_tilly) - (67) - Dec. 20, 2005, 01:04:46 PM EST

I think we have different quality expectations of software - (tuberculosis) - (66) - Dec. 20, 2005, 02:45:35 PM EST

I seem to recall... - (Yendor) - (1) - Dec. 20, 2005, 03:17:26 PM EST

If it's valid HTML/CSS, that's a browser bug. - (pwhysall) - Dec. 20, 2005, 03:54:11 PM EST

Agree on the crash thing. - (pwhysall) - Dec. 20, 2005, 03:53:07 PM EST

I agree with you about well-written software - (ben_tilly) - (62) - Dec. 20, 2005, 04:14:38 PM EST

Not blaming the users per se - (tuberculosis) - (61) - Dec. 20, 2005, 05:55:08 PM EST

cf. Ada - (jb4) - Dec. 20, 2005, 06:28:32 PM EST

member of a working group now, know what ya mean -NT - (boxley) - Dec. 20, 2005, 06:37:43 PM EST

You might not be blaming the users... - (ben_tilly) - (58) - Dec. 20, 2005, 06:43:31 PM EST

problem is you are all not willing to use microsoft only -NT - (boxley) - (1) - Dec. 20, 2005, 07:05:16 PM EST

The right analogy for that is... - (ben_tilly) - Dec. 20, 2005, 07:08:11 PM EST

Or the user is enabling bad coders - (tuberculosis) - (55) - Dec. 20, 2005, 07:40:24 PM EST

Suppose I'm a user using an old browser... - (ben_tilly) - (54) - Dec. 20, 2005, 10:46:58 PM EST

By this logic we should all stick to html 3.2 forever - (tuberculosis) - (53) - Dec. 20, 2005, 11:38:00 PM EST

Go back to the root conversation - (ben_tilly) - (52) - Dec. 21, 2005, 11:49:20 AM EST

And it hasn't been touched in over 5 years - (tuberculosis) - (49) - Dec. 21, 2005, 12:23:33 PM EST

In other words the 1% figure was a red herring - (ben_tilly) - (48) - Dec. 22, 2005, 12:20:51 PM EST

I'm not the one doing the punishing in this scenario - (tuberculosis) - (4) - Dec. 22, 2005, 12:45:13 PM EST

You're not? - (ben_tilly) - (3) - Dec. 22, 2005, 08:17:03 PM EST

One user's pain is another's pleasure - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Dec. 23, 2005, 02:20:19 AM EST

Far too often... - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Dec. 23, 2005, 03:04:14 AM EST

He should not have to -NT - (broomberg) - Dec. 23, 2005, 11:49:48 AM EST

Is high-bandwidth streaming video a punishment? - (drewk) - (22) - Dec. 22, 2005, 01:12:11 PM EST

If you want to limit yourself... do that. - (folkert) - (18) - Dec. 22, 2005, 02:04:09 PM EST

No, they're being punsished - (drewk) - (17) - Dec. 22, 2005, 02:10:59 PM EST

ICLRPDs. (new thread) - (Another Scott) - Dec. 22, 2005, 02:15:57 PM EST

I wonder how Ben feels about stations - (tuberculosis) - (3) - Dec. 22, 2005, 02:46:49 PM EST

Seems the US government is shoving this one - (folkert) - (1) - Dec. 22, 2005, 03:34:23 PM EST

IIRC - (jb4) - Dec. 27, 2005, 06:49:54 PM EST

I think that the switch is fine... - (ben_tilly) - Dec. 22, 2005, 04:38:27 PM EST

No, it is not punishing them. - (folkert) - (11) - Dec. 22, 2005, 03:29:32 PM EST

I think you summarized my position pretty well - (ben_tilly) - (10) - Dec. 22, 2005, 04:50:06 PM EST

Firefox is a 5MB download that works well on older computers -NT - (pwhysall) - (9) - Dec. 22, 2005, 04:54:24 PM EST

Not on my old system - (ben_tilly) - (8) - Dec. 22, 2005, 08:14:37 PM EST

Re: Not on my old system - (pwhysall) - (7) - Dec. 23, 2005, 03:46:57 AM EST

Is there a reason? - (ben_tilly) - (6) - Dec. 23, 2005, 01:23:02 PM EST

"Hu-mour". -NT - (admin) - (5) - Dec. 23, 2005, 02:03:19 PM EST

Can't be. It isn't funny. -NT - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Dec. 23, 2005, 02:33:37 PM EST

Beg to differ - (drewk) - Dec. 23, 2005, 02:40:14 PM EST

Maybe to *you* it isn't. - (admin) - (2) - Dec. 23, 2005, 05:45:53 PM EST

of course they are misfunctioning, he's a father now -NT - (boxley) - (1) - Dec. 23, 2005, 06:17:01 PM EST

Agreed - (broomberg) - Dec. 23, 2005, 07:41:44 PM EST

No - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Dec. 22, 2005, 04:39:58 PM EST

Nobody? - (drewk) - (1) - Dec. 22, 2005, 04:50:41 PM EST

People aren't doing that? - (ben_tilly) - Dec. 22, 2005, 08:12:52 PM EST

I disagree - (pwhysall) - (1) - Dec. 22, 2005, 01:33:56 PM EST

Yes, the product is broken. But... - (ben_tilly) - Dec. 22, 2005, 04:41:56 PM EST

Also, aren't the users *choosing* to use a broken product? -NT - (pwhysall) - (17) - Dec. 22, 2005, 03:38:01 PM EST

Same question I offered Todd - (ben_tilly) - (16) - Dec. 22, 2005, 08:24:54 PM EST

Firefox, Opera, Safari, Camino -NT - (pwhysall) - (9) - Dec. 23, 2005, 03:47:48 AM EST

Firefox, Safari, and Camino at least are broken - (admin) - (7) - Dec. 23, 2005, 09:06:34 AM EST

Firefox and Safari - (tuberculosis) - (6) - Dec. 24, 2005, 10:56:24 PM EST

Firefox dumps core fairly regularly for me - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Dec. 25, 2005, 04:41:37 AM EST

Firefox/Deerpark 1.5 beta weird for me on MEPIS. - (Another Scott) - Dec. 25, 2005, 05:11:18 PM EST

Completely missing the point. - (admin) - (3) - Dec. 25, 2005, 02:35:08 PM EST

Yep, I don't get your point - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Dec. 25, 2005, 02:47:29 PM EST

Re: Yep, I don't get your point - (admin) - (1) - Dec. 25, 2005, 03:47:43 PM EST

So I should probably add something to my webpage - (tuberculosis) - Dec. 26, 2005, 10:59:48 PM EST

What Scott said - (ben_tilly) - Dec. 23, 2005, 02:02:36 PM EST

Epiphany -NT - (drewk) - (5) - Dec. 23, 2005, 10:08:50 AM EST

I haven't used it yet but... - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Dec. 23, 2005, 01:25:46 PM EST

Well I feel silly - (SpiceWare) - (3) - Dec. 23, 2005, 01:59:00 PM EST

And now I feel silly as well - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Dec. 23, 2005, 02:04:57 PM EST

Wheee! cha-ching cha-ching - (drewk) - (1) - Dec. 23, 2005, 02:15:54 PM EST

LOL - don't feel quite so silly anymore -NT - (SpiceWare) - Dec. 23, 2005, 04:04:24 PM EST

He who pays the piper calls the tune. - (broomberg) - (1) - Dec. 22, 2005, 09:38:12 PM EST

I understand why it happens. I don't have to like it. -NT - (ben_tilly) - Dec. 22, 2005, 09:50:43 PM EST

"The job is not done - (Arkadiy) - Dec. 20, 2005, 08:24:39 PM EST

Java begins its decline - (tuberculosis) - (15) - Dec. 13, 2005, 07:35:11 PM EST

Correction. eBay uses Java. -NT - (ben_tilly) - (6) - Dec. 13, 2005, 07:44:57 PM EST

Hmm, I thought it was .asp - (tuberculosis) - (5) - Dec. 13, 2005, 08:19:31 PM EST

They did, but not the port you are thinking of - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Dec. 13, 2005, 10:31:39 PM EST

Long road - (tuberculosis) - (3) - Dec. 14, 2005, 12:04:55 AM EST

They throw Hardware at it. - (folkert) - (1) - Dec. 14, 2005, 01:28:03 AM EST

Sun would be for the databases -NT - (ben_tilly) - Dec. 14, 2005, 01:35:20 AM EST

I agree with all of that but... - (ben_tilly) - Dec. 14, 2005, 01:34:11 AM EST

So what do you think back-ends will be written in? -NT - (warmachine) - (7) - Dec. 14, 2005, 05:09:44 AM EST

SmallTALK. Duh. -NT - (pwhysall) - Dec. 14, 2005, 06:34:19 AM EST

Trend puts the lie - (tuberculosis) - Dec. 14, 2005, 11:13:55 AM EST

Trend puts the lie - (tuberculosis) - (4) - Dec. 14, 2005, 11:14:34 AM EST

Hey, we heard you the first time! -NT - (jb4) - (3) - Dec. 14, 2005, 11:43:46 AM EST

QWEST DSL - where you're never sure if you've sent - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Dec. 14, 2005, 12:59:17 PM EST

I open another browser tab to check on such occasions... -NT - (Another Scott) - Dec. 14, 2005, 01:08:17 PM EST

Yeah, I need to fix that. -NT - (admin) - Dec. 14, 2005, 01:14:57 PM EST

Need some help with an ASP.Net form - (lincoln) - Dec. 2, 2005, 09:22:44 AM EST

Anybody ever parsed a DTD? - (tuberculosis) - (12) - Nov. 30, 2005, 04:38:29 PM EST

Not in polite company. -NT - (pwhysall) - (1) - Nov. 30, 2005, 04:48:47 PM EST

ICLRPD: Not in polite company. (new thread) - (Steve Lowe) - Dec. 1, 2005, 12:14:48 AM EST

I've parsed RTF - (warmachine) - (2) - Nov. 30, 2005, 05:02:43 PM EST

ya gotta start somewhere :-) -NT - (SpiceWare) - Nov. 30, 2005, 05:05:19 PM EST

I'm sorry! - (Steve Lowe) - Dec. 1, 2005, 12:13:01 AM EST

Yup - (drewk) - (3) - Nov. 30, 2005, 05:13:10 PM EST

XML murders relational normalization thinking - (tablizer) - (2) - Nov. 30, 2005, 05:45:03 PM EST

Web pages aren't meant to be relational - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Nov. 30, 2005, 09:13:51 PM EST

and it shows -NT - (tablizer) - Dec. 3, 2005, 08:12:02 PM EST

DTD is an old muddled standard - (ChrisR) - (2) - Nov. 30, 2005, 11:12:19 PM EST

And to make it extra fun - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Dec. 1, 2005, 01:56:46 PM EST

Well, they did label it as Transitional... - (ChrisR) - Dec. 1, 2005, 02:39:55 PM EST

How do you manage database changes? - (admin) - (21) - Nov. 28, 2005, 09:26:01 PM EST

Re: How do you manage database changes? - (JimWeirich) - (11) - Nov. 28, 2005, 11:05:29 PM EST

Mind responding to some rails criticism? - (ben_tilly) - (10) - Nov. 28, 2005, 11:21:33 PM EST

I would be interested to see... - (admin) - (8) - Nov. 28, 2005, 11:33:39 PM EST

A Nested Comments Example - (JimWeirich) - (7) - Nov. 29, 2005, 12:03:04 PM EST

Either one of us is missing something, or Rails is magic - (drewk) - (6) - Nov. 29, 2005, 12:23:04 PM EST

I Missed Something - (JimWeirich) - (5) - Nov. 29, 2005, 02:08:41 PM EST

Adjacency trees are simple. - (admin) - (4) - Nov. 29, 2005, 02:15:57 PM EST

Re: Adjacency trees are simple. - (JimWeirich) - (3) - Nov. 29, 2005, 03:36:42 PM EST

The arbitrary SQL somewhat answers my question... - (admin) - Nov. 29, 2005, 03:44:52 PM EST

Not what he meant - (drewk) - (1) - Nov. 29, 2005, 03:50:50 PM EST

Re: Not what he meant - (JimWeirich) - Nov. 29, 2005, 04:59:48 PM EST

Re: Mind responding to some rails criticism? - (JimWeirich) - Nov. 29, 2005, 11:41:17 AM EST

Weekly change scripts - (Yendor) - (3) - Nov. 28, 2005, 11:13:49 PM EST

We do something like that. - (static) - (2) - Nov. 29, 2005, 06:51:00 PM EST

Oh, *that* process will scale well :-/ -NT - (drewk) - (1) - Nov. 29, 2005, 10:19:26 PM EST

Tell me about it. - (static) - Nov. 30, 2005, 08:33:05 PM EST

We make them independent of code, and do them first - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Nov. 28, 2005, 11:13:52 PM EST

Automated or no? -NT - (admin) - (1) - Nov. 28, 2005, 11:33:57 PM EST

No - (ben_tilly) - Nov. 29, 2005, 01:15:59 AM EST

Two answers - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 21, 2007, 12:47:35 PM EDT

Re: How do you manage database changes? - (dws) - Dec. 3, 2005, 07:54:12 PM EST

Perl Line Endings Puzzle - (pwhysall) - (7) - Nov. 28, 2005, 10:01:52 AM EST

There is a small program or Why reinvent the wheel? - (folkert) - (2) - Nov. 28, 2005, 10:27:59 AM EST

Small glitch. - (pwhysall) - (1) - Nov. 28, 2005, 10:30:47 AM EST

He isn't talking Per on Windows dew-ma -NT - (folkert) - Nov. 28, 2005, 10:32:34 AM EST

Use binmode then print \\r\\n on line endings. -NT - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Nov. 28, 2005, 11:13:19 AM EST

Ta, that sounds like just the ticket. -NT - (pwhysall) - Nov. 28, 2005, 12:04:16 PM EST

A different reply... - (folkert) - Nov. 28, 2005, 11:24:04 AM EST

My Apologies to you Peter. - (folkert) - Nov. 28, 2005, 11:25:23 AM EST

Why in the heck doesn't this work? - (folkert) - (10) - Nov. 26, 2005, 12:20:59 PM EST

Here's something I do when working with Excess - (jb4) - Nov. 25, 2005, 06:25:36 PM EST

Everything after the counts are illegal. - (broomberg) - Nov. 25, 2005, 06:29:59 PM EST

Add more stuff to the GROUP BY - (ben_tilly) - (7) - Nov. 25, 2005, 06:30:54 PM EST

Beat ya -NT - (broomberg) - (6) - Nov. 25, 2005, 06:31:53 PM EST

Yeah, yeah. I gave a longer answer. -NT - (ben_tilly) - (5) - Nov. 25, 2005, 06:33:00 PM EST

I gave less on purpose. - (broomberg) - (4) - Nov. 25, 2005, 06:48:53 PM EST

I just wanted to drive home... - (ben_tilly) - (3) - Nov. 25, 2005, 09:03:32 PM EST

What? - (broomberg) - (2) - Nov. 25, 2005, 11:04:31 PM EST

Logic is distinct from visual impact. I was going for that. -NT - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Nov. 26, 2005, 02:18:45 AM EST

Oh. You were padding. Got it. -NT - (broomberg) - Nov. 26, 2005, 11:37:08 AM EST

Perl GUI programming for a complete idiot - (pwhysall) - (26) - Nov. 22, 2005, 03:47:52 AM EST

Perl/Tk - (altmann) - (5) - Nov. 22, 2005, 04:01:15 AM EST

That's fearfully ugly. - (pwhysall) - (4) - Nov. 22, 2005, 06:07:14 AM EST

Maybe wxPerl. - (Another Scott) - (3) - Nov. 22, 2005, 07:59:49 AM EST

I've used it. - (broomberg) - (2) - Nov. 22, 2005, 10:40:30 AM EST

I want it really simple - (pwhysall) - (1) - Nov. 22, 2005, 11:48:11 AM EST

Sounds like you need some Tiles - (tonytib) - Nov. 22, 2005, 12:10:11 PM EST

Make it a web application. :-) -NT - (ben_tilly) - (19) - Nov. 22, 2005, 10:06:15 PM EST

Would need a server for that. -NT - (pwhysall) - (18) - Nov. 23, 2005, 01:17:37 AM EST

Trivial. Lots of frameworks build one right in. - (ben_tilly) - (17) - Nov. 23, 2005, 09:47:35 PM EST

It's not the software, silly. - (pwhysall) - (16) - Nov. 24, 2005, 01:34:09 AM EST

I can't do anything about your corporate politics - (ben_tilly) - Nov. 24, 2005, 01:56:15 AM EST

what please may I, etc comes in to it. - (boxley) - (13) - Nov. 24, 2005, 01:52:41 PM EST

If you're gonna do that, seaside/squeak is even easier - (tuberculosis) - (12) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:41:03 AM EDT

How did you get from Perl to Java??? -NT - (ben_tilly) - (8) - Nov. 24, 2005, 09:20:34 PM EST

Todd forgot that left turn at Albuquerque. -NT - (Another Scott) - Nov. 24, 2005, 09:32:05 PM EST

He's got a kind of co-dependency thing going on, I think... -NT - (admin) - (2) - Nov. 24, 2005, 09:58:07 PM EST

I think I'll just let folks wallow in their ignorance - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Aug. 21, 2007, 12:37:41 PM EDT

Please don't. Wallowing gets old. -NT - (Another Scott) - Nov. 25, 2005, 12:09:24 AM EST

Resin is primarily used as a servlet container - (tuberculosis) - (3) - Aug. 21, 2007, 12:37:33 PM EDT

Ah. I see. -NT - (ben_tilly) - Nov. 24, 2005, 11:54:26 PM EST

just write a 2 line servlet to go do perl - (boxley) - (1) - Nov. 25, 2005, 11:01:25 AM EST

Might as well install apache/mason - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 21, 2007, 12:38:32 PM EDT

WTF? - (pwhysall) - (2) - Nov. 25, 2005, 01:32:25 AM EST

I wouldn't know since I haven't needed that - (ben_tilly) - Nov. 25, 2005, 12:16:50 PM EST

What GUI toolkit do you know? - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 21, 2007, 12:38:27 PM EDT

Been there, that's why I used wxPerl - (broomberg) - Nov. 25, 2005, 11:53:40 AM EST

g++ question - (jb4) - (6) - Nov. 18, 2005, 12:44:55 PM EST

You can't get there from here - (tuberculosis) - (3) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:14:20 AM EDT

You gotta go around - (jb4) - (2) - Nov. 18, 2005, 01:59:46 PM EST

Did you read the bit about explicit instantiations? - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:14:56 AM EDT

Yes, but I didn't think it applied - (jb4) - Nov. 18, 2005, 05:11:58 PM EST

If you know the specializing classes in advance - (Arkadiy) - (1) - Nov. 18, 2005, 02:00:57 PM EST

Sounds like the STL was build using -frepo - (jb4) - Nov. 18, 2005, 05:19:56 PM EST

Diffing stuff in Perl - (pwhysall) - (1) - Nov. 11, 2005, 05:56:08 AM EST

I haven't used that... - (ben_tilly) - Nov. 11, 2005, 01:24:17 PM EST

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